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Post by musher on Apr 16, 2004 15:32:52 GMT -6
On the Quebec site there's a thread about odours. The two chaps carrying the tread are an RCMP dog handler and a fellow who's done some reading about the topic. In the thread mention is made of ways to reduce odours such as wearing a rain suit while trapping/hunting. I'm not sure of this idea, as I sweat like a pig in a rain suit and the high price ones let out your body's water vapour while preventing rain water from entering. Plus I'm doing o.k. right now! I don't think I am missing any because of smell.
Does anyone dress in such away as to prevent odours?
I'm picky about my boots but, as for the rest, the weather is my number concern.
Another section of the tread has to do with the odour of fresh earth influencing other smells. Any thoughts?
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Post by Stef on Apr 16, 2004 15:38:03 GMT -6
I stink ATV gasoline, smoke, skunk etc... and catch often k-9s at the first check ;D
Stef
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 16, 2004 15:54:29 GMT -6
I think way too much has been made of human scent and other odors. The canines nose is definately precise enough to know you have been there, but it is also refined enough to tell that you are not there anymore, and aren't an immediate threat.
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Post by RiverRat on Apr 16, 2004 16:46:56 GMT -6
Never bought the stuff. I have done enough bowhunting for deer to know that it is all a bunch of bull. I have walked right up on deer wearin fish oil an fox urine I have also been close enough to touch them numerous times. I stay clean try to hunt the wind athough i think if you clean it dont hardely matter. Its been yrs since i was winded. RR
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Post by trappnman on Apr 16, 2004 17:31:29 GMT -6
I'm of the belief that animals know you were there, are not there now, and could care less- in farmland or settled country.
Deer, coyotes, coon, etc- would be going nuts if they reacted to every human scent trail or human interaction.
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Post by FWS on Apr 16, 2004 19:24:22 GMT -6
You leave a scent trail with every exhalation as you breathe, this catches every breeze, settles on vegetation, etc. Consider how many times you exhale every time you make a set.
So maybe Stef can come up with a castor based snuff or a little Binaca sprayer with skunk essence to mask the human scent. With maybe a Doe in Heat throat losenge for the hunting community.
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Post by Obejoyful on Apr 16, 2004 19:32:10 GMT -6
I hold to the same opinion that the other responders do in that you'll never hide the fact from your target furbearers that you've been in the area. Their olfactory senses are far more developed than those of man.
As a result I don't waste my time on masking scents or odor retardant clothing. Most of that stuff is a gimmick. On the other hand if a person feels more confident with those products on I'll not condem him or her. It's like a rabbits foot on a key chain or a plastic Jesus on the dashboard.
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Post by RiverRat on Apr 16, 2004 20:05:15 GMT -6
One more thing if a bloodhound can track a person down a highway from scent coming from the car going 60 mph, or can tell there is a body under the water a yote or deer is gonna know you were there.
I would like to point out once though I was bowhunting for deer up in a tree. I watched a coon come down a tree an feed on acorns he made his way towards me he was right below me when he cut my trail the hair on his neck stood straight up and he actully looked up at me then ran off. This was red hot scent though as I hadnt been in stand for 10 min. I just said this to point out that coons got a better nose than some give him creit for I will have to say I have also had coons come with in inches while I was in ground blinds an once I had 4 come right by one stood about 2 ft away and just looked at me while one actually put his nose on my knee. The same nite I had a pup red fox come with in 10 yrds. The awsome sites of bowhunting. RR
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Post by mac on Apr 17, 2004 5:19:00 GMT -6
Stef says
",I stink ATV gasoline, smoke, skunk etc... and catch often k-9s at the first check"
Steff, I know from you being kind enough to post a long time ago to my question about cold dip use that you don't like it. If you have gas smell, smoke smell etc. , plus all the unavoidable human odor it makes me wonder about the dip. Not being disrepectful, just dammed confused as usual about the stupid dip question.
I guess I have to stop wondering and run a test using it for a couple falls. Think I will do about 1/3 dipped, 1/3 the dye and wax., and 1/3 water dipped. Heck, maybe I will just trap fisher and mink and not worry about it.
I spent years being concerned about the human scent issue. Finally just gave up worring abut it. Have seen too much evidence that if a canine has no bad experience that it does not matter. If a canine has had a bad experience, I do not think you will catch it until all odor disapates, if at all.
Scott
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Post by a1foxhopper on Apr 17, 2004 6:00:49 GMT -6
I own several peices of scent reducing clothing and I believe it works for bowhunting deer. Many times I have been picked off in trees and had deer circle and try to wind me and they just can't seem to get a good enough whiff of me to spook..................As far as for trapping, I don't believe it is worth the extra effort or expense.
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 17, 2004 7:30:27 GMT -6
Mac, that is jsut the point, good, bad or indiffeent experience with odor, the canine knows you were there, and he knows you are gone, no problemo.  |
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Post by trappnman on Apr 17, 2004 19:50:50 GMT -6
Gas odor on trails, roads- are normal- but a gas odor coming combined with lure smells, dirthole, etc..... for me make more coyotes than I like avoid the trap.
Unatural is the key- and what is "natural" (lets say instead- part of his everyday life) vaires- but in any case- unnatural situations and smells in the wrong places....
Good point though- a related study of fish showed gasoline smell was regarded as "natural" to fish in lakes with a lot of boats- that ism did not repel..
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Post by vttrapper on Apr 18, 2004 8:06:13 GMT -6
I have a friend (game warden)who has a tracking dog, mostly for humans. I have run alot of trails in the woods over creeks, even did a tarzan swing once from limb to limb for 20 yards. Each time the dog found me. one time i wore scent reduction suit. No difference, that dog found me with little problem.
He told me skin molecules fall out of your pant legs, shirt sleves, hair and neck. The dog has little trouble picking these up even after I was gone 1 hour.
Used to be i used rubber gloves and rubber boots when trapping. Those days are gone. Leather or canvas gloves and Rocky boots work just fine. Hunam scent??? Yeah they know you have been around but Hey whats that in the hole?
frank
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Post by trappnman on Apr 18, 2004 10:33:53 GMT -6
Frank- that is something I have always wanted to do- try to outwit a trailing dog.
After seeing what cause hounds to lose trails over the years, I always thought given a least 1/2 hour headstart- I'd be gone... ;D
Yet...after seeing the film on Molly the bloodhounds trailing scent from a baby in the car...
One could always argue that Molly was trailing an individuals car's scent- would they be distinctive? ...my trapping truck would be...
And on the moon suits- that the dog was trailing the suit...
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Post by a1foxhopper on Apr 18, 2004 11:10:17 GMT -6
Very interesting possibility  What do you think Frank? |
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Post by vttrapper on Apr 18, 2004 15:31:29 GMT -6
Hard to say, all I know is I went over hill and dale, through forest and swinging on trees. After an hour the dog followed my trail all the way. The swinging from limbs screwed the dog up for a bit, but my friend circled the area and picked up the scent again, arrgh!!! At the end I was on a high pile of rocks looking over a forest valley watching, It is pretty impressive to see that dog pulling the handleer up the hill through the brush and whips I had just gone through. 20 yards away the dog saw the top of my head and barrled up the rocks. Busted again. hahaha
frank
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Post by Maineman on Apr 18, 2004 15:55:32 GMT -6
Frank- that is something I have always wanted to do- try to outwit a trailing dog. Steve, You have WAY too much time on your hands...LOL ;D |
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Post by RiverRat on Apr 19, 2004 18:22:24 GMT -6
Ever whatch the smoke from fire? Even when the wind is steadly blowing in one direction. That smoke is going every place. Thats why I tend to play musical chairs when sitting around a campfire. Scent is like water in a river every tree rock ect.. that it hits it is going around it. I belive the deer my area are acustomed to human scent I can see where up in Maine or Canada you might have a problem though.
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Post by mandy on Apr 19, 2004 20:38:51 GMT -6
stay downwind from your sets with the wind at your face,problem solved.As far as bowhunting goes,or any type is concerned, we were all taught at an early age to stay downwind from gaqme with adequate distance for them to circle you. (the caveman didnt have scentlock and did just fine) 90% of my deer shot with a bow are done on my knees, nose level at 15 yards.Scent Lock,please.
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