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Post by Zagman on Dec 31, 2006 20:38:42 GMT -6
Been tackling a few coyotes over the last week or so.....if you skin any male coyotes, you know what I mean on the dropping thing....
Rubbing! The big Mystery.....guys shoot coyotes in March that are still PERFECT, and one out of three that I am trapping now are BADLY rubbed. Wont even mention the mange.....
I hate to kill a rubbed coyote.....mange, yes, I understand.
But a rubbed coyote is 100% healthly.....
Question: is rubbing 100% due to the environment OR does it get into the individual animal's physiology.....i.e., if a coyote rubs early this year, will he next year as well?
OR, is it due solely to environment, lots of burdocks, crawl unders, rocks, etc?
Regardless, it think it to be totally unfair to be catching coyotes NOW that are rubbed.....we wait for our 6 weeks of deer season to end, give it a week to calm down, have some nice weather, and the coyotes are rubbed, a few so bad that it's not even worth skinning them.
Second question: is there a market for rubbed coyotes? Seriously, I am thinking about calling USA Foxx and seeing if I leave the feet on them, if there enough in one or two of them to make mountain man hats out of or something....
My gosh, the rest of the hide gorgeous.....there's even long hairs sticking out in between the toe pads.....
Help me......please.
Zagman
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Post by ohiyotee on Dec 31, 2006 20:54:06 GMT -6
I have saved some rubbed up coyotes as projects for the grand kids later this winter. I think we can make a couple hats out of them. as for large scale marketing i don't know. greg
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Post by robertw on Dec 31, 2006 20:54:12 GMT -6
Zag,
Don't know diddly about your eastern coyotes but alot of the western ones are rubbing now. Friend of mine called the other evening and said he had called and shot four that day and three of them were rubbed and not worth skinning.
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Post by bobwendt on Dec 31, 2006 21:05:10 GMT -6
not mistaking lice or fleas or earely "M" word for rub are you, greasy and that smell that can`t be mistaken? is the groin area pink? if so it is bugs of one type or another and the coyote is doing it to himself. there is a porphryn stain in saliva and tears that causes the pink bellys from xcess licking and chewing- same reason white poodles get pink tear stains. barring that, it can be environment- weather burs etc and also can be genetics. in ranch fox some "clip" easy ( rub) and others keep good till way into spring, and it can be selected for and the whole herd changed in just 3-4 generations if breeding for holding fur late, so no reason to think it can`t happen in coyotes too if a bad strain gets going in an area. the bastahds, they always win even when you kill them. you know that, it`s why you are so driven to win a war you can never win . don`t feel bad, every human on earth before you has lost the war too.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jan 1, 2007 7:37:12 GMT -6
while genetics might play a part- I don't think its a major factor. Weather and conditions- the more wear and tear on the fur, the more early rubs. Warm, rain, mud seem to cause early rubs more so than deep snow and cold.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jan 1, 2007 9:42:20 GMT -6
I also think that rubbing has a lot to do with the type of habitat.
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Post by Stef on Jan 1, 2007 9:46:18 GMT -6
Pussies get bigger too..LoL
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jan 1, 2007 9:49:47 GMT -6
Are you seeing females coming in now stef? Usually, the swelling occurs a week or so before bleeding, which usually occurs around here 2nd or so week of Feb
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Post by Stef on Jan 1, 2007 10:25:21 GMT -6
Got 2 last week with big pussy.
Was surprised to see that but I know what it is you know.
The next ones will tell the truth.
Stef
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Post by Stef on Jan 1, 2007 10:26:34 GMT -6
Also i noticed that they pee everywhere right now
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Post by ColdSteel on Jan 1, 2007 10:55:31 GMT -6
All I can say is damn you boys are sure into coyotes ;D
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Post by bobwendt on Jan 1, 2007 11:36:01 GMT -6
you can smell the difference too. ;D notice I didn`t say "me",I said "you".
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Post by Zagman on Jan 1, 2007 18:40:04 GMT -6
No mange mistake on these...
The one that is BY FAR rubbed the worst was a crab claw....the other front leg that was not in the trap was noticeably smaller....and hooked on the end. I could not move it upon dispatch....looked to be broken at the shoulder, on the forearm, and on the paw itself.....a real mess. It was frozen solid...
So, I wonder, was this dude (large male, btw) spending more time on the ground, on his side, layed up in pile of something. He was thin, too.
Still, the others are definitely rubbing to different degrees.......a couple I finished today are just slight rubs....the type where if you comb the fur DOWN, you dont see it, but a quick upsweep with the hand UP reveals it......
The very thing ALL the buyers do at the auction......damn.
....and I know some farmer or coyote hunter will want me to skin a coyote for them in March that will look like it came from Alaska.
Zagman
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Post by bobwendt on Jan 1, 2007 23:34:36 GMT -6
from alaska. isn`t it the truth. local guy caught his first fox after, they got scarce as hens teth. calls me to skin it for him and says he caught a silver. I`m thinking a grey. he shows up, it`s a silver! he`s never caught a fox since, in fact quit trapping couple years ago, it`s only fox he has ever caught.
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Post by bobCATching on Jan 2, 2007 13:03:34 GMT -6
Based on the topic: I thought this post was about old cat trappers climbing to many steep hills  |
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