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Coon
Dec 4, 2006 18:27:16 GMT -6
Post by braveheart on Dec 4, 2006 18:27:16 GMT -6
Has anyone had any coon with a big tennis size sore or rub in the center of the back?I conibeared 74 coon this week and 10 all big boar coon had exact same mark on back.It first looked like a bite mark but when more showed up it has to be something different.Not all coon where in the same area.
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Coon
Dec 4, 2006 18:58:40 GMT -6
Post by Steve Gappa on Dec 4, 2006 18:58:40 GMT -6
does it look like late season rubs?
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Dec 4, 2006 19:07:31 GMT -6
Post by cowman on Dec 4, 2006 19:07:31 GMT -6
yeah, I get them too. Have for years. I just call em a rub. Makes it a bitch to flesh.
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Coon
Dec 4, 2006 20:44:11 GMT -6
Post by braveheart on Dec 4, 2006 20:44:11 GMT -6
It's not in the neck or above the tail.It is right in the middle of the back .And in the center there is a hole like a bite mark or a abcess burst.Then no hair around the area.
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Coon
Dec 4, 2006 20:50:11 GMT -6
Post by Steve Gappa on Dec 4, 2006 20:50:11 GMT -6
I don't know.
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Coon
Dec 4, 2006 23:53:52 GMT -6
Post by buckfreak on Dec 4, 2006 23:53:52 GMT -6
Yep been seeing it too. Some seem to be in different stages of it. Some are raw with the bite mark and some have started to regrow wooly looking fur. Some of the spots are about three inches in size. All of them have been on the big boars you know the type with the split or missing ears, no teeth and bob tails. I wonder if it could be a grub like cattle get??. Also get quite a few with a red sore inside there tail about three inches out from the body. I wonder if this is what causes bob tails on em? ?? Maybe doc Wendt can shed some light on this.
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Coon
Dec 5, 2006 7:26:51 GMT -6
Post by captaine on Dec 5, 2006 7:26:51 GMT -6
I also had a big bore with this on his back, no hair in this spot and what may be bite marks or sores. I thought maybe it was hit by a car.
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Coon
Dec 5, 2006 8:13:24 GMT -6
Post by mustelameister on Dec 5, 2006 8:13:24 GMT -6
Four of my last thirty-one 'coon caught Thanksgiving weekend had the same rub mark, square in the middle of the back, about two inches in diameter. No bodygrips. All four were mature 'coon, don't recall if they were males or females. Otherwise looked real healthy.
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Dec 5, 2006 9:13:05 GMT -6
Post by frenchman on Dec 5, 2006 9:13:05 GMT -6
Never saw this on our Quebec coon.. Maybe the work of some parasite?
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Dec 5, 2006 9:24:24 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Dec 5, 2006 9:24:24 GMT -6
I've never had this. The only rub marks I've ever had, with a fair bit of coon each year, is typical late Jan Feb rubs.
is the flesh damaged? one post mentioned it looked like bite marks. Are you trapping these coon in very high population areas?
btw regarding bobtails- I get bobtails both ways- damaged tails and genetically. I have one valley that gives me a bobtail or 2 ever year- and its genetic because you can see that the tail bone is not broke, its there- just a little tip with a fluff of hair on it
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Coon
Dec 5, 2006 10:49:18 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Dec 5, 2006 10:49:18 GMT -6
likely cuterebra infections from where the larva lived all summer before turning into a grub and exiting the animal. pending the year some years are terrible and others hardly any. coons tend to infect and stay nasty longer due to their fatty subcutanious tissues, where red fox etc the parasite exits in august and matures to adults stage and the host heals before trapping time. if you guys ever summer trap you`ll see lots of the things. very nasty parasite that gets big as your last digit on your thumb before he exits . vey similar to a "cattle grub" if any farmers on here.
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Coon
Dec 5, 2006 12:08:41 GMT -6
Post by sawdust on Dec 5, 2006 12:08:41 GMT -6
so what is the adult form of this "cuterebra" and how is the 'coon infected?
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Coon
Dec 5, 2006 12:39:01 GMT -6
Post by bblwi on Dec 5, 2006 12:39:01 GMT -6
In cattle we called them "warbles" They are grubs and are the pupa stage of the Heel fly. The heel fly lays their eggs on the heels of the livestock and the eggs hatch and migrate up the body under the skin from the lower legs to the lower belly and then up the rib section to the areal along the spine. They are laid in the summer and typically they pupated in Feb-April. Some cattle used to have dozens of these. The new insecticides have virtually eliminated these now. The several holes in the cattle hide really lowered the value and one could see the migration tracks and pupal stage areas on the carcass also. Very economically costly grub, plus the heel fly made a buzzing sound while laying eggs and the cattle would raise their tails, bolt and stamped at times also.
In the coon I would not know the adult form that causes this. For those of you with lots of these, I would say time to stop trapping them for fur value. If you have ADC reasons for trapping then that is a different issue. I saw some 3-4xxl coons with rubs on the necks about 2-4 inch bare spots. That drops those $20-$27 coons right down to less than $15 and some cases as low as $10.
Bryce
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Dec 5, 2006 17:41:12 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Dec 5, 2006 17:41:12 GMT -6
a fly similar to the cattle one bryce described. like an alian from a foreign planret. look like mini jaba the huts. cuterebra is the scientific name.
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Dec 5, 2006 18:48:23 GMT -6
Post by markymark on Dec 5, 2006 18:48:23 GMT -6
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Dec 5, 2006 19:05:59 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Dec 5, 2006 19:05:59 GMT -6
yeppers, that`s the varmint. common as all get out in wyoming red fox and coon. very nasty beasty.
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Dec 5, 2006 21:48:30 GMT -6
Post by Mike N. on Dec 5, 2006 21:48:30 GMT -6
I caught a big boar last week that had a spot like that but of all places it was right above the tail where the window is. All the rest look good.
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Dec 6, 2006 19:25:13 GMT -6
Post by braveheart on Dec 6, 2006 19:25:13 GMT -6
I do remember some coon in the summer that I got with my terriers with big lumps on them.But then they are so full of ticks I didn't mess with them much.I suppose going into a den they my terriers could of got them too.I wish I never tossed the coons with the spots. I rolled the one on it's side and tucked some coon close.The fur buyer just gave me a head count.He went right through 12 bucks.
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Dec 6, 2006 19:42:57 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Dec 6, 2006 19:42:57 GMT -6
hehe.
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Dec 7, 2006 1:12:13 GMT -6
Post by rk660 on Dec 7, 2006 1:12:13 GMT -6
Caught a coon about 5 years ago with huge abcess on side of neck, about as be as his head, hole and yellow goo ozzing from it. I threw it in truck to show guys at furbuyer. Other than that is was a darn nice big coon. I was a nice guy and tossed off to side, figured Roger would throw in trash.
He must have a fair dose of Jew in him as he tried to pay a skinner 4 bucks to skin it that night, after I left it for the carcass barrel.
My furbuyer is who I bought the Sheffield buz from, and he is going to be my real estate guy for selling this house, between those 2 deals he will make a pile of money from me this year, enough that now I wished I'd just tossed him in pile and let Roger pay me 10 bucks for it, LOL.
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