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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 12, 2006 14:18:48 GMT -6
Here is a nice big dog hit the end of the cable and lights out! This was around the bend 40 yrds and a female.
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Post by Maineman on Jun 12, 2006 14:26:47 GMT -6
Nice...
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Post by Stef on Jun 12, 2006 15:06:31 GMT -6
Nice but why the other one is alive?
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Post by bobwendt on Jun 12, 2006 15:31:45 GMT -6
woohoo! good un!
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Post by GaTrapper on Jun 12, 2006 15:50:26 GMT -6
Nice Job
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Post by markymark on Jun 12, 2006 16:04:51 GMT -6
Nice but why the other one is alive?
Short chain, laminated, offset snare. LOL ;D
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 12, 2006 16:18:57 GMT -6
The small female just didn't seem to have the fight, as I approached she jaw popped at me but at no time did she hit the end of the cable, would stand or lay by the sage but never to the end of 14ft of cable. As you can see very little for entanglment but the 1x19 5/64ths works really well for me.
Sorry Mark nothign yet in the korean traps will be headin that way tomorrow we will see what happens with them then. This is just a classic area to snare. Why fight the gumbo with traps and weather when I can hang snares and have zero maintance.
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Post by Stef on Jun 12, 2006 16:24:14 GMT -6
Time to try some Stinger kill springs...LoL Later, be back in a week or couple days
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 12, 2006 16:34:45 GMT -6
Sorry cost doesn't justify them to me, as my 75lb choke springs are cheaper and reusable to a point. Also unless the stinger springs entice a submissive coyote to fight harder I'll stick with the lower profile choke springs LOL. Have a good trip.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 12, 2006 17:20:02 GMT -6
thew stingers are reusable
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Post by JWarren on Jun 12, 2006 17:50:44 GMT -6
tc- is that dead one on a 75# with an amberg or a cam+s-hook?
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Post by mean1 on Jun 12, 2006 18:00:20 GMT -6
Sweet, those choke springs do a job on them yotes! mean1
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 12, 2006 21:02:05 GMT -6
The dead coyote is a cam lock filed with a 75lb choke spring and hopkins bad. I will be trying 35-40 of the ambergs and John says they will do the same or better than the filed cams? I'm willing to try them and see, if so saves one step of having to file. I want to see how they do on 1x19 5/64ths wire as John runs mostly 7x7 wire a bit softer and not as "slick".
Tman I know the stingers are reusable but at the price on 100 snares it adds up quick and the choke springs 75lb are also reuseable and cost quite a bit less and I feel less visable as well.
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Post by conibear on Jun 12, 2006 21:13:17 GMT -6
Great pictures and post tc37.
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Post by robertw on Jun 12, 2006 21:46:25 GMT -6
Not criticizing, just want to point out a few things.
What your using...Something is not working right or needs changed. There is way to much of a catch circle with the dead coyote, looks like it was alive for 12-24 hours. Luckily the catch circle is off the trail and did not totally destroy it
The smaller coyote being alive, probably couldn't do an adequate job of compressing a spring as heavy as 75 pounds. Summer coyotes will never fight a snare as hard as they do in cool weather. Back down to a 50 pound or even the 24 pound spring for your lighter weight summer coyotes and pups.
Glad you caught the coyotes!
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Post by BadDog on Jun 13, 2006 0:06:26 GMT -6
Wow, a snare crater and a live catch... in open ground conditions. The first one didn't die of old age did he? You are hereby encouraged to try other products before knocking such! I'm not trying to be ignorant, but your lack of understanding of the forementioned components strongly suggests that you talk the talk but may not walk the walk! Do try my little Stingers with filed camlocks, at the same time I encourage you to also try the Amberg locks. I know the result will be the same for you as it is for me. Your open ground conditions with Stingers would have lead to two coyotes dispatched immediately by the Stinger, likely in 3 minute deaths, no exaggeration. Also no snare craters, no live coyotes in such ground condition, no waterhead, no laceration. Yes initially you will pay more for a Stinger, but an otherwise snare lacerated coyote will buy a lot of Stingers. Then the snared location can be used over for many years, many catches at the same location... sounds to me like a guy can become far more efficient by using better equipment, without having to go through the trouble of learning new tactics. More money in your pocket if you're skinning them, more easy dead coyotes on the ground if you're into the summer thing. The visibility thing is quite debatable. Both the 75 lb spring and the Stinger are easily blended out with light brush across the lock and spring. A total non-issue. 37..."Also unless the stinger springs entice a submissive coyote to fight harder..."How 'bout if it makes them dead? Good enough?
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Post by robertw on Jun 13, 2006 5:24:46 GMT -6
I should have pointed out, the coyote should only need to hit the end of the cable once, twice at most and it should be over with.
Please view this in a constructive way, your current results are no different than if you were only using a good lock with NO dispatch spring. BTW, beautiful snare locations!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 13, 2006 5:37:39 GMT -6
Bad dog what crater?Natural lay of the land. So your saying by swicthing to the stinger every open snared coyote will be dead? and the longest one would expect the coyote alive with stingers is 5mins or less? Look close at the close ups on these 2. They both have 16ft of cable and for any choke pressure device to work to it's fullest the coyote must apply the pressure needed correct? I'm not really knocking your product just stating there are other ways to acheive the same results a dead coyote with minimal set distrubance. Do I think they are harder to conceal yes, sorry just my opinion. This was the live coyote after dispatch. This was higher on the neck. My thoughts are she wasn't much of a fighter. This was the dead coyote on arrival your thoughts? This wasn't a crater but an area cattle congragted earlier in the spring we have been under drought conditions and an area used doesn't rebound very fast. If you can see this was a lower neck caught coyote.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 13, 2006 7:19:29 GMT -6
for any interested- I'll have some of the exact setups Marty uses at the FTA. These come with a filed black camlock, Stinger and Elite BAD. Made by Marty, not me- so you don't have to worry about that LOL
snares are either:
10' 5/64 7 X 7 cable
10' 1/16 1X19 cable
These are NOR cable restraints- but if you want to see and use the setup Marty and WhiteMTCur use- check them out.
Not cheap- but complete. A limited supply- not pushing them, but since the subject was brought up here, figured I'd post this.
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Post by bobwendt on Jun 13, 2006 7:19:54 GMT -6
just a fwiw, and not related to the stinger talk etc. I believe the closer the snare is to the head, the quicker the death, not the other way around. in my biz the desired results are a `live coyote, so I`m working the other end of the goals you guys want. lot of differences. nice to see no mange! looks like my wyoming country. draw even looks familiar, hmmmmm.
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