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Post by bblwi on Mar 31, 2016 19:43:14 GMT -6
The general discussion is that public health care is really only desired by the lazy and unemployed or under employed and that those with means want no part of public HC. If that is the case I wonder why so many well off Americans continue to utilize Medicare as their primary health care provider. I would think they would want a suitable private plan that they can pay for as needed.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 1, 2016 4:59:20 GMT -6
Because the price is right Bryce for the time being, Medicare payments have and will continue in the future to rise even more, meaning the paycheck will be lightened by it more. It is not the lazy or poor but a program meant to fit as many as it can under the govt control. It really is that simple. A single pay plan in this country would have us all paying 50-60 percent taxation rates when you figure up all state, local and federal taxation.
330 million people and counting and were going to do that buy taxing the rich? No way it will end up costing us as much now if not more for a single pay plan. You take away all competition and the cost can rise even quicker and have less desirable results. Again read the numbers being posted for the cost of single pay plans. I am all for allowing people in any state to get their insurance from any offering in the US, just like auto insurance and home owners plans.
Those with means for most of their lives do not want any part of public healthcare yet they also have paid in to Medicare at a higher rate than many others correct?
A wide and vast program as single pay care for ALL on 330 million people is far different than covering 100 million people correct? Plus Medicare is far from 100 percent coverage you still have a supplement and prescriptions to pay for out of pocket. Even Canada is not 100 percent covered, make no mistake what Bernie and some others want is 100 percent beholden coverages.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 1, 2016 11:10:46 GMT -6
didn't read the long post- but in response to above
it works all over the world-
I'm done on this one
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Post by bblwi on Apr 1, 2016 13:15:24 GMT -6
So all the so- called patriots know the system is flawed yet feed at the trough? To me that makes them users and abusers as well as they do have other options, many do not. When the system fails as you state that it will then those that have means will be Ok and those that do not will not have access, but then I guess that is just parr for the course as to how we function as a society. The biggest factor impacting the length of Medicare's future is FICA earnings and with the nation at a wage stagnation mode for over a decade and working hard to create as few jogs as possible the system will fail but not so much due to high cost as due to almost intentional low revenues.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 3, 2016 6:51:15 GMT -6
Bryce your worried about FICA taxes now and yet a single payer plan put into effect next summer is going to make things better? We have low wages and we want to tax people more for a single payer plan? Make no mistake everyone working under Bernies plan will see an increase in taxation for a single payer plan, we also have low job growth and we want to tax business owners even more for single pay plan now? How will that all work to be a positive? With zero cost control and covering 330 million people? We all know social programs are liken to the ESA once enacted your never going to get rid of it, regardless if it makes sense or can be afforded or not. Run away trains are not good, some states have been chasing them for years like California and the debt they have amassed and now wanting to build a multi billion dollar high speed rail system that many predict will not cover the cost in 30 years of use.
We have more people on govt Assitance than any other time, cost us more and more debt each day, so the answer is to take a stagnant job market and tax business more? How does that help cut into the debt and put people back to working more and off govt assistance? To me that does not sound like a receipe of success at all. We need to first build back businesses and then job growth and then look at a balanced budget and one that starts to eat back 20 trillion in debt, the liberials want to tax and spend and tax and spend some more at a time we just cannot afford to do such, these plans if enacted in our current economy are sure to mean much higher debt and jobs suppressed for a longer period of time.
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Post by bblwi on Apr 3, 2016 14:08:27 GMT -6
Do the math TC if you don't get a wage increase say for a decade and medical costs go up at 2-3 times the rate of inflation a 10-20% increase in my Medicare taxes is really a low cost way to have access to health insurance I could not afford if I got 5% wage increases per year if medical costs go up at half again that much. Taxes is a low cost way for a low income person to get coverage. As you ilk always state these people don't pay their fare share now so if I am paying 7.62% total FICA and 1.45% of that is Medicare and they raise me say 30% to a whopping 2% I would take it in a heartbeat as if I make a $1,500 per month that would be $6.75 per month for health insurance more than I am paying. Heck double my Medicare and I will take it as there is no real increased cost to me if I have learned how to manage on a $1,500 per month plus other household income and if I can manage on say $30 K per year or so I will find a way to manage around the $100 increase in my taxes, what I can't manage around is a $50 k hospital bill for a severe injury or moderate surgery.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 4, 2016 5:14:03 GMT -6
The problem is the math all wage earners are paying j to Medicare but only a portion of such are using it that is why it works at the rates it does for now!
Put 330 million people on it as a single pay plan and no idea of cost co troll going forward and we have a run away train of massive exspense to all. Right now we still have business and govt entities paying a portion of such, take away the money private business is paying for health care and where does that money comming from? Is the money we will charge people more than they put now? Will the put going pat to business be the same or higher than what they cover now?
The answers are if it cost more than what is taking place now, then who really benefits from a single pay plan?
Also with a single pay plan is there any deductible? If not the use rates by many will go up drastically and over work the system. Having a deductible keeps visits down and keeps cost down now.
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Post by bblwi on Apr 4, 2016 10:14:21 GMT -6
The current system has been operating for 42 years now and sure it has it hiccups and issues but it is working and who says we can't or won't modify it for the better interest of all. We have done that with other issues in the past. If we want smaller government with 300-450 million citizens than the private sector needs to find a way to provide adequate HC opportunity for all citizens at an affordable price or a price that allows access. The private sector has been unable or not willing to do that so other options became available and workable. As we continue to have the large group of lower class financially citizens and a shrinking class of more well off citizens the demographics will vote for more government as that will be their only option and only option that allows access.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 8, 2016 17:37:38 GMT -6
Let's get rid of silly lawsuits against medical professionals and that will save billions each year. Let's not allow some to,use an ER as their personal clinic. That will save money.
Having the govt in control will do nothing for cost control unless your going to set paying mandates, which will close some hospitals and clinics, those are just facts.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 9, 2016 9:04:48 GMT -6
checked back in- I see the bullshite from TC is continuing-
for example- he says= "Let's not allow some to use an ER as their personal clinic"
and apparently doesn't have a clue as to why this is
every modern country in the world can afford universal care- but TC thinks Americans are too stupid to do so.
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Post by bblwi on Apr 9, 2016 21:25:27 GMT -6
It shifts from taxation and when we point out that taxation may be a low cost way to get coverage then we go to the law suits. There is always an escape route for those that choose to find others to blame.
Bryce
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Post by prioritytimberland on Jun 16, 2016 17:58:28 GMT -6
Health care is about 16% of the economy. So by my back-of-the-envelope calculations we would need a 16% national goods and services sales tax to fund health care for us all. Single payer. But wait. Studies show that if you provide health care funding to those who did not have it before their use of health care doubles. So maybe we need 20%. Okay Americans let's vote.
Do you support adding a 20% sales tax on all goods and services nation wide to fund a single payer health care system for all.
Yes No
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 17, 2016 14:56:26 GMT -6
Amen and the answe would be a BIG NO by the majority, except for the Liberial left upper class who want it to happen as long as they do not have to pay for it LOL.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 17, 2016 15:31:01 GMT -6
TC has no problem wasting trillions on a useless war- but God forbid someone get health care. Is it really so hard to understand that the money is priority?
if your priorities are useless wars and billionaires paying less % in taxes than you or me-, by God you are an American according to some- but want food stamps for the poor, or affordable health care.......... jeezus God you commie!
odd how every other major country in the world has figured this out-
they must really be special, or we are idjuts
substandard health care, far higher costs than anywhere-e and we are so proud we can't think of a better way? drug cost 300, 400, 700% more here, than anywhere else in the world.
drink more koolaid folks
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 17, 2016 19:26:42 GMT -6
Obama has continued the war why?
Are you willing to'pay 20 percent extra on every item purchased for the healthcare yes or no? Car, movie tickets, gasoline, groceries, etc,etc.
Millionaires paying less taxes than you or I? LOL talk about drinking the kool aid. When was the last time you paid into the federal govt Tman what year and how much?
Tman I have great healthcare thank you at a reasonable cost. I have a 30.00 co pay and 1250.00 a year out of pocket max. I pay less than 300 a month to cover my entire family.
I have 6 hospitals in my area to use and choose from, many specialized medicine doctors as well under my plan. Not sub standard at all.
Want and who pays for it and how much is where many start to pull away from the other.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 18, 2016 5:02:47 GMT -6
20% is bullshit plain and simple. Are you ready to pay 80% more for all goods id Trump gets elected- movie tickets, gas. groceries, etc and etc. come on- yes are no are you willing to pay that? ?? you really NEED to understand what you read- the fact you skim and go on, making conclusions based on nothing, explains so much. Millionaires paying less taxes than you or I? LOL talk about drinking the kool aid. When was the last time you paid into the federal govt Tman what year and how much?
a perfect example of reading something, not knowing what you read- but making a conclusion. Tman I have great healthcare thank you at a reasonable cost. I have a 30.00 co pay and 1250.00 a year out of pocket max. I pay less than 300 a month to cover my entire familydon't thank me- thank the govt- or isn't your wife getting the insurance for your family anymore? not substandard? oh my- another $20 loss for TC. hey, we got a new thing- its called Google- use it. See where the US ranks in childbirth deaths, and pretty much EVERY aspect of care, we are far, far down the list. Except one- cost those are the facts- don't like em or not- they are FACTS
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 18, 2016 8:06:06 GMT -6
Tman you skipped by the point that you and I pay more in taxes than millionaires when and how much was the last time you wrote a check to th federal govt? mine was 2001 and it was 688.00 why? I got a divorce and never switched my deductions from head of house hold to single I was then considered single and owed some money. How about you?
The other point I don't thank GOVT for my health insurance Tman I work now in the private sector and have better benefits at half the cost! Yep 100 percent fact. my wife and kids are all covered under my health plan. They have been for years, schools have the worst health care out there, none of them have great health care again 100 percent fact.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 18, 2016 8:34:48 GMT -6
here is what you keep saying- your words quoted:
you skipped by the point that you and I pay more in taxes than millionaires
and what I actually posted- my words quoted:
if your priorities are useless wars and billionaires paying less % in taxes than you or me
please note the difference
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I write a check to IRA every year for SE tax
some years we get a refund, some years we pay in insofar as fed tax
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what private sector field are you in?
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interesting tidbit: the designers of the AR guns, has stated they were never designed to be sold at large- they were designed for Special forces.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 18, 2016 12:37:19 GMT -6
Percentage or not lest figure out ours versus some millionaires we still are not paying in what they do, sorry your facts are not such at all. The left keeps banging the same drum the evil rich and no taxes. I know plenty of business owners who pay in far,far,far more in federal taxes than you or I do. My father in law owns his own business has since 1976 his taxes due are much higher than mine again just facts, yes he has a CPA And he still pays in.
What is the most you have paid in to the Feds the last 15 years?
Tman more of the left muck. There is a major difference between the rifles special forces use in an AR platform versus what we can legally buy off the shelf at a wal mart, Bass Pro shops or Cabela's etc,etc. The actions and barrels are made to handle 3 rd burst or fully automatic, the majority of AR's sold in stores are not meant to be due to the cheaper materials used in these AR rifles.
You do relise the ruger 10/22 is a AR type rifle that is the most widely sold 22 for many,many years? They came out long before the evil black rifle LOL.
A 10/22 is a carbine length semi automatic 22 caliber rifle. Extended magazines have been avilabale for a long time. The only difference is looks form and function the same.
short barrel and extended round count.
In your words what makes the AR platform so deadly?
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Post by trappnman on Jun 18, 2016 12:43:18 GMT -6
% or not- GOOD GOD
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I mean- GOOD GOD!!!!!
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some people get mad when called a liar- so I won't call you that- instead, I'll say stop being a dick and misquoting my words-
I never said an AR was deadly- or anything close
What is the most you have paid in to the Feds the last 15 years?
you won't even say who you work for, or who you are voting for- but you demand my financial information?
insert my response here: __________________________!!!!!!!! (two words)
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