|
Post by PamIsMe on Oct 20, 2015 14:29:12 GMT -6
"..these last 4 years have been a dismal disappointment really." Of course they have when you have a Repub HR bent whose publicly stated goal is to undermine anything the Dem President wants to do. Instead of voting 52 times to abolish the ACHA they could have put some real thought in how to make it better. If there is no cooperation and compromise, nothing will ever get done.
Pam
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 20, 2015 15:25:35 GMT -6
Jim 8 years have past and promises made by Obama very few have come to light! Sorry no pass after 8 years and little done, yes we can blame some of this on congress but we can also blame the President for enacting things that stifle job growth as well. Those are just the facts.
He knew what he was getting into when he took office the first time and the 2nd time, can a president make all the changes by himself? Nope I relise that, yet he made choices that have effected the economy and job growth in a negative way.
In fact the best sector has been the firearms industry percentage wise since he became president I would bet!
|
|
|
Post by bblwi on Oct 22, 2015 20:59:09 GMT -6
We have 4.1 % UE in my county and 3% in the county just south of me. Compare that to 2008-2009. I don't agree that the AHC Act is the reason we have a slow moving economy. There may have been better ways to fix HC but even the GOP that went on record over and over that our system was broken, offered no remedies for change, so it moved forward without them. If they would have been part of the bill there may have been improvements, but they have chosen repeal as the only option. Wonder if that is what they plan to do with immigration and other issues like taxation and reducing debt etc. etc. If I were the GOP with their current mindset I probably would not do anything either than object as they have not had any good things to offer. There two top candidates today really don't offer solutions, just more personal and negative rhetoric. Their best candidate today is wealthy today after filing bankruptcy 4 times and we call him the person who can answer our nation's and world's concerns? He could not even manage a business without taking the easy way out.
Bryce
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 23, 2015 5:04:18 GMT -6
Bryce now we are breaking down employment by county? LOL. For a period of 3 years we where above 7 percent as a nation.
AHC effectivly took away hours from workers no denying that. The magic number is less than 28 per week avg anymore and you must provide benerits if you fit the model. So many of these will break up the hours amongst more people with no one having a chance to make much at all.
This was suppose to lower cost on health care we know it didn't won't. That was snake oil many know that.
8 years and what sectors are we better off in? Than 8 years earlier.
The banks are borrowing interest free money! How long can that go on? How long can our govt underwrite the few home loans taking place?
Many are worried about yet another recession and the Christmas season is fast approaching should give us an indicator in consumer confidence.
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Oct 23, 2015 6:19:29 GMT -6
agreed
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Oct 23, 2015 6:21:12 GMT -6
nothing got done?
gee- great minds wonder why? nah- not really- we all KNOW why- the GOP themselves have stated WHY multiple times. and TC still blames Obama?
just like this bengazi crap- ALL political, ALL bullshite
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 23, 2015 17:39:53 GMT -6
Obama of any oresident needs to learn to work together and go back to the days of back scratching versus both sides drawing lines in the sand on many issues, sure there will be a fee that are deal breakers, I remember oBama saying he was going to better relationships with the right and work together when did that happen?
executive orders and getting things done only with a small majority and the AHCA thing is not going to be good for his legacy for sure.
He is an in effective leader how anyone could deny that is beyond me really.
In way over his head and that has alot to do with his background and lack of many things that is needd to be an effective leader and President.
He was a change,smooth talker and the first man of color elected many didn't really care about his background sad but true. If people would have looked at his true professional career they might have voted another way. if I want a plumber I will hire an experienced plumber not a house framer, if I want concrete work done I want a guy with years of concrete experience not a roofer doing my concrete.
|
|
|
Post by PamIsMe on Oct 23, 2015 23:22:44 GMT -6
"oBama saying he was going to better relationships with the right and work together when did that happen?..."
He couldn't establish a working relationship with those whose sole objective was to get rid of him. We have a House and Senate with the lowest approval ratings EVER at 9%. As of today Obama's is at 48 %. So, who do you suppose the American pubic thinks should do some compromising?
The conservative hero Reagan was also 48% at the same point in is Presidency, Bush's was 28% when he left.
Pam
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 24, 2015 6:29:40 GMT -6
Pam he is the president number one, and yes congress has low ratings but why do so many keep getting re elected when the ratings have been poor for many years then? Because people say well I won't vote for a R or D so they keep putting the same people back in. How much sense does that make? About as much as saying Obama is an innocent by stander in his own presidency LOL.
Ronald Regan was much older and I think some of the tabloid fodder hurt his numbers, not about numbers about achievements this president has not achieved much at all really in 8 years. AHCA is his poster child really, you want to compare Obama's achievements against Regans? Ok we could LOL.
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 24, 2015 6:34:17 GMT -6
I would take Ronald Reagan for another 8 years in a heart beat. he created jobs with regan nomics, ended the Cold War, strengthend our military and brought back the b1 bomber. Created 16 million jobs Yeh not s fan of that stat really but far more than Obama, this after the Jimmy Carter years where Inflation was high, made a stand against air traffic controllers for the safety of the nation, and other good things.
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Oct 24, 2015 7:10:57 GMT -6
why does the house get reelected? very, very simple- they have gerrymandered the districts so much, that there are literally a handful across the nation that are swing districts.
you would hate Ronnie, because FOX would hate Ronnie- he was far more liberal, than he was conservative
you want scandal? Iran/contra ring any bells.
Obama failed to do what he wanted to do........... you want a reason? look no further than the Speaker fiasco
|
|
|
Post by James on Oct 25, 2015 0:59:46 GMT -6
Obama has disappointed me in a lot of respects. But I will say that never in my 43 years of following presidential politics have I seen a president more vilified and obstructed by the opposing party. Obama was barely in office before some otherwise completely undistinguished member of the House loudly called him a liar during the middle of a presidential address to Congress. How embarrassing for us. I'm sure they showed that clip in Iran and N. Korea.
You will be ridiculed and shouted down if you say this in the wrong places, but Obama's race is an obvious factor. No, his race shouldn't immunize him from fair criticism; but it shouldn't invite the contemptuous slander that's haunted Obama either. He wasn't born in the US, he's a Muslim, he hates white people--note the outsider and racial components of such accusations.
I mean really. It's too obvious to overlook with a straight face. You hear this BS all over wherever Republicans congregate these days.
Jim
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Oct 25, 2015 7:20:19 GMT -6
Obama brings a lot of criticizisiom on himself in the way he has handled certain issues and what comes from his mouth as well Jim.
Race is played by both sides no doubt Obama used the Ferguson deal to garner future votes for the left, if you think not your kidding yourself. He and holder made themselves look foolish on that one. I am sure he is the one to pressure Mo gov jay Nikon to kept the national guard at a stand down after all back broke loose and the rioting left uncontrolled, he cost Mr Nixon much credibility in the state and pretty sure a republican will be the next govenor of Missouri.
So race is used in all side no doubt.
But again he is a grown adult and the president so he stands accountable for what he can control and has done the last 7 years correct?
Tman the right brings up Regan a lot and it is not with hate what so ever! Much of what he accomplished still fits into the mind set of a conservative. Sure some extreme right wingers might not care for some of his decisions, overall he was a well liked and respect president for his many major accomplishments and his ability to stand for what he thought was right and to get two sides to work together.
Obama failed in many people's minds because he is not adequate for the job due to his past or lack of such ,in many arenas of holding the president position. His experiences not good enough for some of the issues he has had to handle. If we want people to be responsible they have to be accountable that simple.
|
|
|
Post by PamIsMe on Oct 25, 2015 23:38:42 GMT -6
"His experiences not good enough for some of the issues he has had to handle." I seriously doubt anyone, except a former President (OR first lady) completely understands what they are getting into! Well, the Repubs are not prejudiced, they may even run their own 7th Day Adventist black man for President. One, who by the way, when he retired 2 years ago declared he was a member of neither party but an independent. IF he got elected (not that I think he'd have a chance) I wonder of the Dems would be sending around pictures of his head on an ape's body and worse. I'd sure like to think that they wouldn't be as vile and nasty as the Repubs have been. Do some research comparing Reagan's administration's accomplishments to Obama's. The atmosphere was totally different when Reagan was elected. "When Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980, Democrats lost 23 seats, but still controlled the House 244 to 191. In the Senate, Democrats lost 12 seats and gave up control to the Republicans by a margin of 53 to 46, with one independent. We had a divided government. Tip O'Neill, who was Speaker of the House at that time, could have insisted that any bill coming out of his chamber have a majority of Democrats supporting it, but he knew that he did not have that kind of power and really did not want it. He told the new president that "We will cooperate in every way" — not that Democrats would necessarily vote for what the president wanted, but that we would allow the House to work its will. Tip also recognized that the people of America had voted for change and the new president deserved a chance to pass his agenda. That required at least 26 Democrats (usually a few more) on every bill, because even then some Republicans and Democrats would not vote for anything." thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/lawmaker-news/235409-how-ronald-reagan-and-tip-oneill-would-make-this-congressPam
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Oct 26, 2015 6:12:33 GMT -6
some's definitions of failure, seem to be mobile
and Obama is still popular with those who elected him-
good post pam, but I think its going to be like the joke about the roof.....
|
|