How much more....

[trappincoyotes39]

Not assuming the bulk aren't working but many send a lot of money back across the boarder and they have NO choice either let's us not forget that. They can't get food stamps, or other public aid without a SS number or some other form correct?

I am also not saying the majority will do any of that but even a percentage means more burden on the system which already needs major overhaul due to scamming and cheating of a system that needs fixed as much as does or amnesty issue.

[PamIsMe]

"..of a system that needs fixed as much as does or amnesty issue."

So when do you think the Republicans now in charge might come up with a realistic plan to do that? lol

Pam

[trappnman]

is there ever?

[trappincoyotes39]

After we deal with other issues affecting our country like jobs, budget, debt, ISIS, then illegals and welfare..................

[trappnman]

but you are against any action on any of those issues

I seldom say this to others- but you would make a staunch GOP congressman............................

[trappincoyotes39]

We can help with jobs but we won't do it by enacting more regulation on business or raising taxation on such.........

The budget easy fix congress should pass an amendment to the constitution that each year it must be balanced or less than 1.5 percent over or under balanced.........

Debt we can control by cutting spending in all areas like Obama said he would do go through the budget with a fine tooth comb and cut the fat and also job creation and allowing business more freedoms inside our country versus taking things over seas, enacting more import tariffs on goods sold here.

ISIS can not be dealt with air attacks we learned that kind of thing from the Bush admin and we spent piles of money with little effect until we put boots on the ground, we either go in whole hog or pull out and allow them their space to roam and be what they are. Wee started something and never really finished it through 3 admins IMO. Wr can't fault one admin over the other as they have all really done much of the same. Time to get really tough IMO.

Welfare needs a total overhaul and much of the work that states and local governments have let go because lack of funding people who receive assistance and can work must work some hrs each week, mowing parks, trash pickup along HWY's and interstates, painting that needs done, crack repair in roads, weed eating etc,etc. No more free rides you get the service because your unemployed or,under employed and your income is subsidized for that reason if your able to work work you shall or your money will go away. easy fix really. The state of Wisconsin and tommy Thompson did such a thing years back and forced a lot of free loaders to Move to other states where it was an easier life for them. 3-4 hrs a day would not hurt many on assistance. if your disabled far different story.

WE need to start with secure boarders, without secure boarders what good is amnesty to 5 million if in the next 15 years we have another 5 million illegals come across a boarder in the shape it is? makes no sense to even talk about amnesty until we do a much better job on boarder control.

Thanks for the props

Tman I have worked for 31 years and in that time through good times and bad I have been unemployed for less than 10 days in 31 years, what burns my butt is people who say they can't find work, there is work out there if your willing to do things that many feel is below them, for less money. While doing such I always looked for a betterment but until that came along I worked for what it could and if needed had 2 jobs and worked 13-16 hrs many days in my early life. So the people I see hangin on the front porch with cell phone in hand and smoking cigarettes passing each day in the same manner burn my butt. Most of these people are between 20 something and early 40's and make sure they know where to go for free food hand outs and all the other public services offered. I say get off your butt and give 3-5 hrs a day doing some type of work, no work ethic is not good for them or our country as a whole.

I feel that should make you mad and everyone else in this country!...........

[bblwi]

You may be very surprised how many that you see during the day smoking when you drive by are actually working some place or more than one place during times when many don't care to work. Now many of those may be undereducated for our modern workforce and for many that is a fixable problem if we are willing to find ways to get that education to those that need the skills. There are many that will not be able to adjust to the modern workforce and percentage wise as compared to 80 years ago or so it may not be much different. One of the issues today is people can and do work much longer and live longer so job turnover is not as quick as it used to be. The physically demanding jobs did not allow more frail persons and many females the opportunity to work and today that is much different. It would be much cheaper to educated many on assistance then to continue to just pay out assistance but the reality is that there are many that complain continually about the lazy that don't really want to have that much competition for their jobs. Politically we in many ways create roadblocks for those at the bottom so they have more difficulty climbing out of the hole they find themselves in and this helps continue the harsh decisiveness we seem to want to continue.
I find it interesting that you get so fumed at the lazy ones with your 31 years of work. I have been on my own paying my own way since the day I graduated from the 8th grade and grew up poorer than most on assistance and found ways to move out of the whole but have never generated the hatred and disdain you feel towards those you feel are far less deserving than you are. I only have one job now at age 66 and so 52 years of work has taught me to be grateful not hateful.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

If people can work they should. I was not born with a silver spoon either Bryce my father never made more than 11.00 per hr in his life, my mom entered the work force when I was 11 years old out of need. We never went hungry we never used the system either. At times we might have qualified my parents would have none of it. My dad worked 40 a week so did my mom and as a teenager I helped my dad form and pour drive ways for people during the summer months. Hand dug and wheel barrows no bobcat.

I come from a family that says work hard and you will always find work, never a more true statement in my mind.

The people I mention in fact do not work I know that for a fact, hate red no mad yes. I have two employees one is a lady that is 64 and another he is 72 and both can work circles around many people in their 40's and 50's doing hard manual labor. The 72 year old guy also breaks wild horses yep wild horses he buys off the BLM ground.
These people born with the same mentality . They both have pensions and SS but choose to work 40 a week.
When we put our ads for summer help guess what we end up with 7-10 applications come in and some either have felionies or the others refuse to work for the starting pay, except older people. So yes that burns my butt at times, we offer work and pay and they all feel they should be paid more even though they are unemployed or under employed. I look at it as money is money

[bblwi]

Your complaining about someone who made $11 per hour and you damn those trying to go up from $7!!! At least you had a dad that stayed but then we may have been better off that he did not. I saw what it was like to have a single mom of 6 not get loans in the early 60s because the banks would not extend credit to single females even with a job. She had to have 50% down to buy a cheap, poor house but that worked out. You don't need to waste time trying to out poor me you won't win that battle I can assure you but what I did not become was so spiteful of all you don't feel measure up to your standards. Your tolerance level of others is very low and you are in good company by the looks of where our nation wants to go. That is why I feel so strongly about public education is that persons like me with no wealth or power etc. could climb the ladder along with those that were born with plenty and privilege. It was amazing to see the thousands of students at UW Madison in the 60s squander away their folks money not studying or working or just trying to avoid the draft. Even though I had a very dysfunctional up bringing by some very troubled parents I did not disrespect them by not working up to my abilities. When I hear people today talk about how horrible our society is and how bad many of our citizens and workers are I look back on my very difficult childhood and am grateful for whatever there was that did not cause me to become like them.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Bryce wow? it took my dad years to get to that 11.00 that was right before he retired. What do you mean stayed? my parents are still married today and retired and live a simple life but manage ok.

Public education isn't what made you who you are, you made you who,you are! Plenty of people get a public education and still have zero work ethic. They free load off the system, many are drop outs yet still know how to work a system setup,in many ways to be worked.

No my tolerance level is low with those that have the ability to work and CHOOSE not to because they can work the system period. Public assistance is there for those that need it, they need to change some things to keep an every increasing number of those that REALLY do not need it but work the system to maximize their benefit and I know plenty who do that so it is too easy I guess?

I know a guy right now that is working the disability angle with a lawyer not because he really needs to, but he has been shown by a few others how to go about getting it and then plans on getting his retirement in 2 years and with low,income housing can live well and never work again this guy is 54 years old and in my book a POS nothing more or less.He isn't disabled he just doesn't want to have to work anymore and found the ticket on how to make that work for him, now that disgust me to no end. Because he is using a system setup to be used ...........

I am not trying to,out poor you at all, plenty of people have come from nothing and made their lives far better than what they had , that comes with an inner drive and some people simply do not have that or loose it along the way of their lives just a FACT!

[bblwi]

I meant my father did not stay with us. Yes public education was the avenue for me. We had neither the money or the connections to use private education. In fact the closest one was 25 miles away and my mom did not drive so we needed the public infrastructure and education to get where are today. I can see you have absolutely no understanding of what real poverty is and I am not going to spend anytime working to change the mindsets of those who feel as you do. All I can do is continue to promote and support those aspects of our public nature of our society to continue to be funded and yes also monitored for effectiveness and accountability. Having spent 37 years in public education as an employee and 8 as an elected official I still see the benefits of promoting public education, if not for those that have better options but for those that do not.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Bryce where do you get I do not believe in public education? My wife has been in public education since she left college. She has 2 masters degrees as well in education we did that as she worked and paid on it for many years. This is her 24th year and she has 14 more to go and then retirement.

You think I have the means to send my kids to,private schools? LOL. I have 4 kids and pay child support on one and my wife gets and has gotten nothing in child support from her first husband, he was out of the picture when the kids where 6 and 4 years of age. I have been there father since then.

real poverty has what to do with those that are working the system?

I am not calling for an end to welfare but a real close look at how to further keep,those using the system when not needed from doing such.

if you believe that the majority are in need then so be it, I see too many that could be employed and simply choose not to be. My dad knew a guy that worked at john Deere made good money in the 70's and he divorced his wife so they could get food stamps and other aid and he lived in the house for many years they where legally divocred for the sake of the assistance nothing more.

the snap program started with 380,000 people then when it went nationwide it was used by 14 million people we now have 48 million people getting snap. I know a lady that runs registration for snap,in an area and she had a lady wondering how long it would take to renew her paperwork as her husband and she needed to get to the airport to,go to Las Vegas to,gamble for a week. does that sound like a true NEED to you?

[bblwi]

You keep saying in general terms how the government wastes money and does very poor management and government to me is all levels of government fed, state, county, local, municipality and school districts. So you want to cherry pick those segments of government you like. Government is government be it large or small and your posts indicated a lot of disdain for government and I take you at your word. I am not going to comment on your wife's teaching career because I know nothing of it or how it has been for her and those she served. I can only speak of my own experience as a teacher and my years working with administration, boards and others that impacted the schools systems I worked in and or led.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

I feel government is not government, you have different ways of being elected and on a city council and school board which ia have sat on both you do not give out your party affiliation nor can you run on such. Local,county commission, state and federal is not all run the same and we are talking various issues each deals with and what control they have I am all for more local control and a smaller but efficient federal government with more states rights as states are different for sure.

My wife has taught in some very low,income school districts and that brings it's own set of challenges and rewards for her. ache has taught on an Indian reservation and in other states, she has spent the last 10 years as a elementary principal and head of special education and curriculum and design. She left the public schools for one year to be a teacher mentor in NW SD for an AEA to teach other teachers on curriculum and classroom functions. She liked being around the young children too much and came back as a school admin after her one year with AEA. She worked on her masters in school admin while working 40 hrs a week and raising 4 kids. She graduated at the age of 36 with a 4.11 GPA and top of her class. She did online courses and we attended her graduation in vermillion,SD at the university of South Dakota the same college she received her Bachelors degree in elementary education.

She has spent all these years working with parents and children to offer them the best education the schools she has worked for can, her attention to detail in the classroom and her ability to change and adapt curriculum to various age groups and different classroom makeups is something many schools have taken notice of in her career.

She works many,many hours at home and on weekends either at home or the school doing the extra things that need to get done, she deals with many issues and frankly anyone who thinks people,in education has a gravy job are sadly mistaken. her contract is 11 months a year but in reality she is never really off even the so called month off, she is working on things as well here and at the school. Her work ethic is above and beyond I see it every day and many nights I am in bed and she is still working away.

[bblwi]

So government is not government??? Wow that is so profoundly off the wall that to me it removes almost any credibility of the rest of your post. How you want to always layout achievements from single events to bolster your beliefs in the less value of others is really disheartening to read. I could list the accomplishments of our daughter who is a full professor of psychology but I don't need or want to become like you.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Bryce if YOU feel all government is the same so be it. I sat on a city council for 5 years and I sat on a school board as well, so do I believe things work the same at these levels as does state or federal governments. No I do not.

My city valued things and has issues that dealt with things other cities did not. Vica versa.

The school district I was on council of was a smaller district not a large one, our issues different than larger districts and different Than even others the same size due to make up of people and funding.

as far as My wife yep I am proud of her accomplishments and you said you knew nothing about her career to coment so I filled you in. Nothing more or less.

[bblwi]

Never stated that all government is the same and I don't believe that having worked for local, county, state and federal governments. It is easy to find fault in large government and also with smaller government as well. To think that a federal government uniting 50 states with a huge foreign policy aspect is going to run like a small city or village is really short sided from my point of view.

Bryce