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ISIS
Sept 10, 2014 12:50:52 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Sept 10, 2014 12:50:52 GMT -6
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ISIS
Sept 10, 2014 15:30:57 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 10, 2014 15:30:57 GMT -6
My comment is air strikes are a waste of time and resources if CNN can post such why would we think they would be easy targets now ? They are crazy but not dumb I would think. We tried to Air strike bin laden how did that work? We need the seals to gather intel on the top dogs and go in and take them out through specialized means , not hand to hand but not air strikes either we have the technology to perform advanced techniques to rid the world of such evil, yes more dangerous than flying planes miles over head but more productive that lobbing a few missiles and saying well we tried. keep things out of the media and do what needs to be done, that is how we got bin laden and in the end that is how we must approach these top dogs of ISIS, not with a public TV airing if our plans and intentions, but keep it top secret and let the fine people we have do tHeir jobs tHat they are highly trained to do and then the POTUS can come out after the fact and fill in the people, I never would find it a great idea to inform people of military actions prior to them taking place even in the smallest regard.
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ISIS
Sept 10, 2014 16:49:31 GMT -6
Post by Jarhead620 on Sept 10, 2014 16:49:31 GMT -6
If our intel can locate ISIS leadership then by all means we should attack them with airstrikes. The quickest way to weaken or kill a snake is to cut off it's head. We also need to go all in with attacks on their troop movements to degrade their equiptment, kill personnel, and affect their moral. It seems that there is a target rich environment in the open terrain in Iraq and Syria. Yes, we need to attack them in Syria. There should be no safe refuge for them anywhere. Anything we can do to shut off their money supply should be pursued including reduction of their control of oilfields. I trust that this and much more is being planned and coordinated by the administration and the Pentagon.
I will be concentrating on the President's address tonight. It needs to be robust without telegraphing significant details to the enemy.
Jarhead
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ISIS
Sept 10, 2014 17:03:37 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 10, 2014 17:03:37 GMT -6
Jarhead Iraq is not flat it has a mountain range in it and again to think these guys will be just sitting in a house say bomb here? Well I find that hard to believe myself. Again CNN just told,us the master plan air strike the top dogs where they sit Problem is if they have an ounce of smarts they won't just be sitting waiting for an air strike and they can keep things private just by their actions of the past and telling people give up our location and your dead, air strikes could take far too long the sooner the better for us and other nations. I think what we will see is a plea from Obama asking us to be with him in the mission , the same type of mission terrorism that he proclaimed he would bring home ALL troops within the first 180 days of his initial Presidency, so he know has to back pedal,on his beliefs of war and what his thoughts where then to what they are now. Again I do not think he will give out much detail at all, but be looking for public sentiment for the actions that could take place in the future. Things he must not be real keen on but knows what needs to be done.......... I can read tomorrow what he states, I will watch baseball and enjoy my night! It is the push for the playoffs
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ISIS
Sept 11, 2014 0:36:07 GMT -6
Post by PamIsMe on Sept 11, 2014 0:36:07 GMT -6
" I never would find it a great idea to inform people of military actions prior to them taking place even in the smallest regard."
Agreed! Don't people think that ISIS reads and hears whatever we do? Since when does the public feel they have a right to know strategic military plans, especially in advance? They're not dumb, how could any of their leaders not know they will be killed if there's any chance at all, and not just by the US military. There are others involved in the hunt.
Pam
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ISIS
Sept 11, 2014 6:33:04 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Sept 11, 2014 6:33:04 GMT -6
well, we all know air strikes work. I think ISIS is aware of the fact we got planes and bombs, so telling them we will have more air strikes, really isn't letting the cat out of the bag.
If they want to go into the mountains and hide in caves, let them those hiding in caves aren't really a problem for us- those marching across the desert with a very well equipped army, is.
I couldn't think of a better scenario for air strikes than what is occurring now.
the problem in going into wars without a strategy doesn't work- we have seen that over the last decade plus.
but now we have a strategy- neutralize ISIS.
there are a few times in a lifetime when military action is the only course- I think this is one of those times.
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ISIS
Sept 11, 2014 17:56:01 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 11, 2014 17:56:01 GMT -6
Tman I like your thought process on this issue did you think the same when Clinton had a shot at Bin Laden as well? We'd could debate all night on what effects air strikes will or would have , seeing how we have done over 150 of them already against ISIS I am not sold on them what so ever on this, if our goal is to get rid of the big dogs and cut and severe the blood lines of this org do we do it by taking out there small people or do we want the master minds behind ISIS? I am willing to bet as time goes on it will not be with air strikes that we get them, again this will drag on and all is fine because Obama is in charge I just hope in future conflicts with other presidents some feel the same on the war on terror which will be an ongoing war through time, the world today is not what it used to be and we will be putting out these types of start up groups as time goes on. it is a belief and a mindset for those in certain areas that will continue. time.com/3328080/isis-syria-aumf-obama-law/
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ISIS
Sept 16, 2014 23:03:17 GMT -6
Post by PamIsMe on Sept 16, 2014 23:03:17 GMT -6
People seem to feel ISIS is a problem for the US to solve alone, or that the President has declared an unauthorized war. I don't see it as either case. If I'm not mistaken, there's a coalition going after them.
"Saudi Arabia, other Gulf states, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon pledging in a joint statement to stand against terrorism. They promised steps including stopping fighters and funding, repudiating the Islamic State group’s ideology, providing humanitarian aid and “as appropriate, joining in the many aspects of a coordinated military campaign.” They also agreed to boost support for the new Iraqi government as it tries to unite its citizens in the fight against the militants, and discussed strategies to “destroy” the group “wherever it is, including in both Iraq and Syria.” Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said coalition members agreed to share responsibilities for fighting the Islamic State group, as well as to ‘be serious and continuous in our action to eliminate and wipe out all these terrorist organizations.”
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ISIS
Sept 17, 2014 5:11:28 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 17, 2014 5:11:28 GMT -6
Sounds good doesn't it.................?
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ISIS
Sept 17, 2014 7:45:53 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Sept 17, 2014 7:45:53 GMT -6
so TC- we do nothing?
or put in 300,000 troops?
you do understand the difference in bin laden, and a well financed and very well armed army that is trying to create a nation state??
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ISIS
Sept 18, 2014 17:54:10 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 18, 2014 17:54:10 GMT -6
That sounds like bin laden he was well financed and :
According to former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer, who led the CIA's hunt for Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader was motivated by a belief that U.S. foreign policy has oppressed, killed, or otherwise harmed Muslims in the Middle East,[47] condensed in the phrase, "They hate us for what we do, not who we are." Bin Laden also said only the restoration of Sharia law would "set things right" in the Muslim world. He opposed such alternatives as "pan-Arabism, socialism, communism, democracy."[48]
This belief, in conjunction with violent jihad, has sometimes been called Qutbism after being promoted by Sayyid Qutb.[49] Bin Laden believed that Afghanistan, under the rule of Mullah Omar's Taliban, was "the only Islamic country" in the Muslim world.[50] Bin Laden consistently dwelt on the need for violent jihad to right what he believed were injustices against Muslims perpetrated by the United States and sometimes by other non-Muslim states.[51] He also called for eliminating the state of Israel, and forcing the United States to withdraw from the Middle East. He called on Americans to "reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and usury", in an October 2002 letter.[52]
Bin Laden's ideology included the concept that civilians, including women and children, are legitimate targets of jihad.[53][54] Bin Laden was anti-Semitic, and delivered warnings against alleged Jewish conspiracies: "These Jews are masters of usury and leaders in treachery. They will leave you nothing, either in this world or the next."[55] Shia Muslims have been listed along with "heretics, [...] America, and Israel" as the four principal "enemies of Islam" at ideology classes of bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization.[56]
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ISIS
Sept 18, 2014 17:57:14 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 18, 2014 17:57:14 GMT -6
What I fully understand is terrorist are not to be bargained with and taken out NO matter who is president. he had been warned about leaving Iraq that it would be taken over by other groups, you really think they had no idea of this? he pulled out to try and save political face to his supporters but the news and action of ISIS is too much and he now knows something has to be done. I agree with that 110 percent. I do not agree with it is only the right move when a certain party is in office and I also do not agree that air strikes alone will do much to get rid of this threat and I mean get rid of it from ISIS. They will need to be dealt with just like Bid laden in the end, we shall see if that happens under his watch or a future president..........
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ISIS
Sept 18, 2014 18:00:09 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 18, 2014 18:00:09 GMT -6
Hum so more good info:
The Islamic State, also widely known as ISIS, ISIL and Daʿesh[71], originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999. This group was the forerunner of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)—a group formed by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi in 2004 which took part in the Iraqi insurgency against American-led forces and their Iraqi allies following the 2003 invasion of Iraq. During the 2003–2011 Iraq War, it joined other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council, which consolidated further into the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) (/ˈaɪsɪ/) shortly afterwards.[72] At its height it enjoyed a significant presence in the Iraqi governorates of Al Anbar, Nineveh, Kirkuk, most of Salah ad Din, parts of Babil, Diyala and Baghdad, and claimed Baqubah as a capital city.[73][74][75][76] However, the violent attempts by the Islamic State of Iraq to govern its territory led to a backlash from Sunni Iraqis and other insurgent groups in around 2008 which helped to propel the Awakening movement and a temporary decline in the group.[72][77]
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Sept 18, 2014 18:00:46 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 18, 2014 18:00:46 GMT -6
They sound a lot like bin laden do they not?
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Sept 18, 2014 23:46:20 GMT -6
Post by PamIsMe on Sept 18, 2014 23:46:20 GMT -6
I am really starting to feel like this:
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Sept 20, 2014 7:04:37 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 20, 2014 7:04:37 GMT -6
Pam this cartoonist I think takes the actions of terrorist a little too lightly. I really believe for the sake of our economy another major strike would be bad news.
Does that mean it will happen for sure? nope but we must not get too complacent or it very well could. Our country is not used to mass causalities on our soil from foreign entities.
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ISIS
Sept 21, 2014 0:55:00 GMT -6
Post by PamIsMe on Sept 21, 2014 0:55:00 GMT -6
"...another major strike would be bad news."
Of course it would be terrible. However, it might also help bring us back together and demolish the great divide we are now living with politically. Nothing like great adversity to bring people together.
Pam
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ISIS
Sept 21, 2014 6:20:01 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 21, 2014 6:20:01 GMT -6
If we need a tragedy on US soil to bridge political ends then we are in REAL TROUBLE!
Besides politics are like sports they are competing for votes and power inside of congress, and you have fan supporters on each side, some support the right others the left and some have no team so to speak, until we as fans get sick of the process and kick them all to the curb, so called lower their ratings that is the only time they will attempt to make change real change......
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