six californias

[trappnman]

just heard about this, and here is their website

www.sixcalifornias.com/about

at first it seems lunatic- but at the same time, there is some merit in it

if it occurred, and it got federal approval (on doubtful, one extremely unlikely) the trend then would be for states like NY, TX, big population states to want to do the same- and would 75 states or somesuch be better than 50 for the well being of the nation?

or we can look at the idea of regional states that was somewhat a popular subject a few decades ago- for example WI, MN, UP and IA as one regional state, where states were grouped together with common interests. geography, economy

any thoughts?

[FWS]

any thoughts?

It's DOA................

It'll never happen.

And the way these idiots carved it up is rather stupid, be better off to just cut out the SF Bay Area and Los Angeles county into independent districts like the District of Columbia.

[FWS]

for example WI, MN, UP and IA as one regional state, where states were grouped together with common interests. geography, economy

The Minnisconsin Vipackers ?

[trappnman]

from what I read, enough signatures to get on ballot? with something like 43% in favor?

whats the local news say?

[FWS]

enough signatures to get on ballot?

Bought and paid for using paid signature gathering companies.

whats the local news say?

Which "local news" since the "local news" in many metro areas serves a bigger market than many states.

This thing would never survive any of the thousands of court challenges that its passage would reap. Nor would Congress approve it or a President sign the leg that approved it, as required by law, and I really doubt they want to create 10 new U.S. Senate seats.

But, various people have been trying things like this since 1850 and none have ever succeeded, nor will this attempt or any future attempts.

[bblwi]

House numbers would stay the same but you would get 50 more US senators that are elected for 6-year terms and to me that would give the Senate a lot of power, plus you would have 25 more governors and that may be interesting politically as well.

Bryce

[trappnman]

you forgetting W Virginia?

[FWS]

you forgetting W Virginia?

No, they'd be an example of why this isn't feasible in today's world, it took over 50 years for the issue of who owed what in debts to be settled by the courts between WV and VA.

The legal nightmares of this proposal are just freakin' staggering.

[trappnman]

on that I agree-

my point more is that it looks like it will be on the ballot in Nov-

actually, W Virginia still isn't a "legal" state

[FWS]

looks like it will be on the ballot in Nov-

November of 2016, not this year.

As per qualifying for the ballot, this is another example of what's wrong with the initiative process, and not just in CA, but all over.

Opponents of the initiative filed a complaint with Secretary of State Debra Bowen on July 17, 2014, asking her office to investigate allegations of voter fraud. The complaint, filed on behalf of the OneCalifornia committee formally opposing the Six Californias initiative, follows reports that signature gatherers for Six Californias claimed that those who signed "would be opposing the Attorney General of California’s intention to split the state into six states" – the exact opposite of the petitions intentions.[9] Signature gathering for Six Californias was carried out by Arno Political Consultants, which has faced a number of previous fraud accusations around the country.[10]

I have an extra special dislike for paid signature gatherers, they lie through their teeth just to get the signatures which are worth about $2 each to them.

I've had them tossed out of locations many times after observing their tactics and pointing out they are a for profit business and can't operate where they are without a permit.

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

Jefferson, Central, and Sacramento would be better if they used the crest of the Sierra as a natural boundary. I wouldn't mind having Alturas to Bishop as something different than San Fran and the extreme coast.

[FWS]

as something different than San Fran

Reno is kind of a bedroom community of San Francisco, with Interstate 80 being the symbolic phallus that starts deep in the nether region of downtown San Francisco and thrusts straight into Reno's backdoor.

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

Boy, aint that the GD truth. Sooner SF falls into the ocean the better.