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Post by trappnman on Jul 7, 2014 11:03:15 GMT -6
I understand whats important to you, and how you adapt-
the only debate is that you think all should want the same, and that bountiful opportunitys don't abound everywhere
for example- I know I mention melons, and you will tell me about the wonderful melons in CA and how they can't be beat- yet the sand prairie here is the exact spot to grow some of the finest melons in the world.
and our bluff hillsides, are some of the best apple producing areas in the world
and you think some fish in the ocean tastes better than some fish here- and its subjective, all palates are different
I do not believe for a sec- that for a young ourdoorsmen there is no better place in the world to grow up, than the hills of SE Minnesota. The total opportunities available, all literally in your backyard, would be hard to match
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jul 7, 2014 11:24:40 GMT -6
Right, you lack the biomass and the habitats, as well as species diversity. I've pointed that out before.
Our habitat and biomass is just fine.
We lack the sheer size.
This isnt the UK or Europe. Its not the kings game, it belongs to the people.
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Post by FWS on Jul 7, 2014 13:11:15 GMT -6
No, that's what TC will tell you about wherever he is ................. I won't tell you that about CA watermelons because the best I've had were grown in Hermiston, OR, near the Columbia River. Have you never noticed that I point things like that out about other areas quite a bit ? Wrong. I just wonder why it is that people who like to hunt, fish, and trap are so opposed to engaging in different aspects of it elsewhere. Or even seeing it. I've hunted and fished other states and will continue to do so, and I base that on where the best opportunity may be for what I want. And I'm always looking for those opportunities. A lot of places just don't have them. Problem with that statement is that too many who did grow up with your freshwater fish and were later introduced to saltwater species prefer the saltwater species. We hear it all the time. I even hear it from those who say they didn't used to like fish, reason being that their only experience with fish were those you fellas mention. Once they get the variety of saltwater species they like fish and eat it. And................. For those fish fries in MN, WI, etc. ? Where are they getting those fish ? Cuz' I sure noticed most were using a lot of cod and pollock in an online search........... Vote Now for the Best Fish Fry in Central MinnesotaSure seems to be a lot of shrimp, salmon, and tuna offered too. And the winners of the 'best fish fry' were frying up Pacific cod and pollock quite often "All you Can Eat Fish $11.95 Breaded Pollock" "Fresh, flakey fried Atlantic Cod, fried to a crispy golden brown" "Enjoy Deep Fried Cod, Broiled Cod le Blanc, Butterflied Shrimp, Seafood Linguini" "They feature high quality North Atlantic cold water cod" "Enjoy all you can eat Hand Breaded Deep Fried Alaskan Cod" "All you can eat breaded pollock made to order." "Enjoy Alaskan Pollack and Shrimp Poppers," Because it's limited, and are largely closed systems. I understood that from the word go, and I pointed it out, only to hear disagreement. Right, your fisheries are socialist.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 7, 2014 14:37:01 GMT -6
won't tell you that about CA watermelons because the best I've had were grown in Hermiston, OR, near the Columbia River.
so what? so you have sampled 1/100,000th of the melon producing areas- and you form an opinion of whati s besat.
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Post by FWS on Jul 7, 2014 15:38:38 GMT -6
Your statement is completely invalid, I clearly stated, Which is very different from what you're claiming. You fellas, however, have made those types of statements. To which I pointed out that it would be easy to beat. And that is obviously true given that the Midwestern Friday 'fish fry's' are predominantly using Atlantic and Pacific cod, Alaskan pollock, Canadian and Icelandic haddock, some Gulf snapper, and some grouper. While also offering salmon, tuna, and shrimp. Almost no walleye or yellow perch, and even less catfish (even when farm raised catfish can be had pretty cheap) Not much in the way of that traditional Midwestern/Southern cornmeal coating either. It was mostly "British style beer batter"........................... Hopefully they're not using that nasty old mass produced Midwestern brewed vegan approved beer to make the batter.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jul 7, 2014 17:13:09 GMT -6
I am going to have to bow out because the fish god has spoken.
Our fishery is less socialist than your trapping regs but hey whatever.
Have to say it steve, I am bowing out. Had enough of this. I'm going to take my ball and go home.
Pretty much all my old friends are gone from here any way and its because of someone who probably lives in his moms basement.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 7, 2014 18:51:27 GMT -6
Hey FWS been out of town with my family took,in a cardinals game my daughter was lucky enough to catch a BP ball from one of the players, and the arch and a few other things. The new cardinals nation building is quite impressive for sports minded people.
I will bite what do you trap that footholds have little impact on?
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Post by trappnman on Jul 8, 2014 6:15:14 GMT -6
Which is very different from what you're claiming
you REALLY need to reread your posts.....
the whole theme, was how CA is 100% better than any other state- sure, a couple European countries might come close... or maybe a stray parish here and there, but overall, nothing from fishing to hunting to food was as good as in CA
and my whole view that every area has its perks- and its ALL subjective
if Old Milwaukee is your preferred beer, and you have tried a multiple of others including the mini brewers and what all and to you its the best tasting beer for your palate- then who can argue, in any way, that it is not?
what fish tastes best, what hunting is the most satisfying- is all subjective-
yet your view is our subjective tastes, are wrong- and your's is right
there is no wrong, or right
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Post by FWS on Jul 8, 2014 10:57:28 GMT -6
Oh but I have, and they are not as you claim, this was particularly wrong on your part, Never claimed that, I only point out that the resources and opportunities I want and need exist here and I can't duplicate it elsewhere. In fact, on this very thread, I've pointed out where some things are better elsewhere. Is it really ? You think maybe there needs to be some evidentiary reasoning involved or not ? Because when we engage in discovery and do a little critical thinking on an issue or two you might find that the statements made by yourself and others don't hold up. Like this statement, Problem is that it really isn't irrelevant to you, you just prefer to not recognize how and why it is. The fact is that Midwestern sport fisheries are subsidized by intentional and supplemental stocking of hatchery raised fish that are fed protein rich feeds that can only be manufactured using fish oil and fish meal from intensively harvested marine species. Another fact is that culturally important events in the Midwest, the Friday fish fry's, are dependent upon commercially produced marine species like cod, haddock, pollock, shrimp, etc. because you have no commercial fisheries or aquaculture programs producing the culturally recognized freshwater fish you fellas keep touting. Without that input from marine fisheries that Friday fish fry tradition would either die out completely or be forced to use freshwater species, like tilapia, which are farm raised in China. I was repeatedly told on these threads how the oceans were unimportant and no products were needed by those in the Midwest. Which is utter BS, a quick look at reviews of the Catholic church fish fry fundraisers in Missouri shows that almost every one of em' is using cod, pollock, or haddock, all commercially caught ocean fish. Friday Night Fish
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Post by trappnman on Jul 8, 2014 11:59:57 GMT -6
Problem is that it really isn't irrelevant to you, you just prefer to not recognize how and why it is.
no- what I said- was having commercial fishing in my state, is meaningless to be-
Is it really ? You think maybe there needs to be some evidentiary reasoning involved or not ?
yes, really- what someone feels taste best, means nothing to me
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Post by FWS on Jul 8, 2014 12:28:30 GMT -6
But it is meaningful to you. You just don't want to consider all of the reasons why. That's why earlier I said that these things go much deeper than anyone wants to realize, things are more interconnected than most know, and frankly they deserve a more intellectual discussion than they'll get. It means nothing to you until you try it and discover how good it is and how much you enjoy it. See there's the thing, I'm not averse to trying any kinds of food, or most drinks, and by golly I have done so and go out of my way to do so just cuz' I like to. Same reason I go to lengths to find new things to do with wild game, fish, or shellfish. Always figured if you're gonna kill em' you should respect them enough to make the best of them. Like with rabbits, I'm damn glad I found out that cooking sectioned up bunnies as confit, and then grilling those bunny confit parts with a basting of sweet chili sauce is superb. Plus its relatively easy since the confit preserves them and you can keep it in the fridge for a while and use as the mood strikes you. Works very well with squirrel and goose legs too. Know what ? It is better than frying the bunny in bacon grease.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 8, 2014 13:15:48 GMT -6
To YOU John- and perhaps to me too. I've eaten rabbit in countless ways for the past 60 years- some were great, some were so- so, some were terrible
but I have no doubt, others would have a different or reversed list.
You simply cannot make something thats subjective, definitive
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Post by FWS on Jul 8, 2014 16:34:54 GMT -6
That's what I'm telling you, there's a lot of stuff out there you just might like, and like even more than the old school, traditional stuff you're accustomed to.
If someone enjoys Cajun/Creole food they need to go to South Louisiana/New Orleans to really experience it. Be a fun trip, lots to do, see some gators, no need to freak out about the suggestion.
Same with beer battered deep fried fish, as I said, I can't find it comparable in the U.S. to what the pros in the UK or Ireland make. And I order fish and chips a lot, always have since it's a familiar comfort food. And the British, Scottish, Welsh, & Irish ex pats who live here say the same thing. As do many Americans who spent time in the UK.
No joke. Again, no need to freak out about it.
BTW, the confit recipe for rabbits came from a Scottish chef who works the big hunting estates in season across Europe, she feeds the high end sporting types who demand the best and are willing to pay big for it. Ya' think maybe there's something to learn from her ?
TC related one experience with eating "shark", doesn't know what species, how or where it was caught, how it was processed and preserved, or how and who prepared it. He wouldn't even know if it was actually a species of shark or something else, which happens a lot in restaurants with all kinds of food.
Ya' know I've been catching them for almost 40 years, many different species, and selling them, and cooking and eating them. All have different tastes and textures, and can be prepared hundreds of ways.
I've cooked up and served probably over 1000 lbs of various species of sharks at various functions and never had a complaint, quite the opposite, lots of compliments and requests for more and which species, how can the buy some or catch one, and so on.
Ya' think maybe there's a lot more to it than his opinion based on one experience ? Isn't that what you're trying to question me over ? The difference being that I'll just say I've had better.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 8, 2014 19:37:02 GMT -6
At a time when some Americans have started to improve their diets, they're increasingly turning their noses up at one of the healthiest foods around: fish.
The average U.S. consumer ate 14.4 pounds of seafood in 2012, the last year for which figures are available, down from 15 pounds in 2011 and a record high 16.6 pounds consumed in 2004. That's far less than the average 82 pounds of chicken, 57 pounds of beef and 46 pounds of pork. Americans consume in a year. It's also much less than the amount of seafood eaten in other countries. The average Japanese consumer eats 120 pounds a year, while Spaniards consume 96 pounds.
This fading appetite for fish shows that for a fragmented industry having a healthy product isn't enough. Surveys show consumers aren't sure how to cook fish and prices can be high, while the seafood industry hasn't been able to organize any major marketing campaigns to promote fish consumption, the kind of efforts that paid off for the beef and pork industries.
"I don't think we've found the solution," Christopher Lischewski, chief executive officer at Bumble Bee Foods LLC, said on the sidelines of the Seafood Expo North America show in Boston held in March. "You have a population that is somewhat fish-averse…and we really don't take the opportunity to educate consumers about all the great attributes that go along with seafood, all the health and nutrition attributes, and we don't teach people how to prepare it."
Fear of seafood and how to cook it is the industry's top challenge, said Phil Lempert, editor of supermarketguru.com, which tracks the retail food business. "No. 2 is how disjointed this industry is. Until we can get the industry together to promote consumption, nothing will happen."
Other problems include the confusion and mixed messages surrounding claims that certain types of seafood are high in mercury, fears stirred up by organizations opposed to growing genetically modified salmon, a lack of awareness of which types of fish are healthy, and a failure of the industry and supermarkets to better promote fish.
Seafood company officials aspire to emulate the chicken industry, where consumption has boomed to nearly 82 pounds in 2012 from 34 pounds in 1965. If the industry can ease consumer fears and develop more convenient products, John Connelly, president of industry trade group National Fisheries Institute, said at the Boston show that there's "nothing to preclude us from having the kind of exponential growth the poultry industry had."
Bill Roenigk, chief economist at the trade group National Chicken Council said seafood has a long way to go before it can become "the new chicken." Its chief obstacle, he said, is production costs, as it's more expensive to catch a fish from the ocean or raise it in a pen than it is to raise a chicken, a cow or a pig. "They have to drive the costs out of it and make it a more affordable product. That is a big challenge for fish," he said.
Related Fish Sticks Try To Turn Tide With Young Bumble Bee is one of the largest seafood companies in North America, with sales of more than $1 billion, but the industry also contains many small-sized companies. Those companies often specialize in one type of fish, which industry observers say makes them reluctant to sign up for any general promotion of fish consumption. On top of that, more than 80% of seafood consumed in the U.S. is imported from foreign companies.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 9, 2014 6:54:29 GMT -6
That's what I'm telling you, there's a lot of stuff out there you just might like, and like even more than the old school, traditional stuff you're accustomed to.
I guess we are reading 2 different threads
because I don't disagree that "there might be something out there I like better"
but thts never been the debate- the debate on your part, was that YOUR experiences trumped all others
but you aren't going to acknowledge that, so I'm moving on
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Post by FWS on Jul 9, 2014 9:55:30 GMT -6
That's what I hear others saying about their experiences.................. With the addendum that they have no need for anything else, shun new experiences, and whatever they've got is as good as anywhere. There's this whole big world out there........................... Then you shouldn't get upset when others consider it mass produced corporate swill.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 9, 2014 16:16:51 GMT -6
Number one beer in AMerica is Bud Light but not my thing but most people like it I guess, each to his own. I guess mass produced swill runs the market place top 3 beers are bud light,coors light and budweiser none of them I would seek out to watery for me. Mark Twain wrote that catfish is as good as any fish out there, out there meaning where he has been and others have said the same. All on what you need or want in life, been over that point countless times.
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Post by FWS on Jul 10, 2014 5:53:31 GMT -6
They're cheap and available, if you read the Consumer Reports survey I posted on another thread such a phenomenon exists in the fast food industry,
Simply put, even the people who habitually eat at those places think the food sucks. It's not subjective to the individual palate, it's just that's what's cheap and available.
Guess what, there is better beer and food to be had out there.
And many, many others disagree, and they prefer wild caught marine species, as the markets for fresh wild caught fish reflect.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 10, 2014 7:39:58 GMT -6
one word-
subjective!
you can take the most expensive wines in the world, and its swill to me- I wouldn't drink a drop of it on a bet
yet- give me a glass of Bones Farm, and I'll enjoy every drop
what "others" think- means nothing to me
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Post by FWS on Jul 10, 2014 10:50:55 GMT -6
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