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Post by trappnman on Jul 5, 2014 6:15:40 GMT -6
generally?
that's our criteria for judgment?
you couldn't subsist with fish
no- we said we WOULD NOT
big difference
and I'm quite sure, you have zero knowledge of fresh caught fish from the waters we are talking about
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 5, 2014 6:53:09 GMT -6
Again your,criteria is fresh we use fresh fish as well, the species and their taste are debatable. All,depending where one lives and consumes from a early age and taste buds. You think,people in the Midwest don't use high quaility ingredients? . Man you are stuck on the coast. Morels are 100 wild harvested as well, like them but would never pay 30.00 per lb for them either. I didn't say seafoods I am talking freshwater fish. Never stated no desire for seafood in the Midwest but facts are lower on the list in the Midwest which it is.
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Post by FWS on Jul 5, 2014 10:52:14 GMT -6
No, it goes much deeper than that, given that the fish is only one component, though fresh caught North Atlantic cod, haddock, and plaice ARE better eating fish. The other ingredients and the knowledge and experience of people who's careers are dedicated to frying fish make a difference as well.
See I don't think it is debatable, not from you anyways because you don't go anywhere else or try anything else.
In terms of fish, no you really don't. We could say that about beers, flour, the oils used in cooking, and a lot of other things.
In a state that produces huge quantities of fresh ag products year round, so yeah, for someone who likes to cook and eat this is a good place to be simply because of the availability of a wide variety of raw ingredients.
Actually you have repeatedly claimed that your freshwater fish are as good as any saltwater fish, which you wouldn't really know since you lack the experience to make that claim.
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Post by FWS on Jul 5, 2014 11:31:27 GMT -6
Right, because none of you actually like the fish available to you enough, if at all, to endure eating it more than occasionally.
I on the other hand eat the Hell out of the marine species we get and I'm always looking forward to more. Clean, fresh tasting, lot of diversity, different tastes, textures, can be prepared hundreds of ways...................
Whole cultures were built on marine fisheries...........
Nah, I fished a lot of freshwater and ate a bunch of em', besides which TC has been repeating what I was pointing out to you in previous threads.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 5, 2014 14:55:45 GMT -6
FWS fresh is what it is, and men who devote their lives to frying fish? Give me a break. Use a good oil at the right temp and don't under cook or over cook it. I don't need my fish served on newspaper as it adds nothing but flare. WE have plenty of fresh things and are the Brits hand pressing their oils daily . . .
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Post by FWS on Jul 5, 2014 16:12:51 GMT -6
Yes, it is true. That's what you're not grasping here............... It's the same as the guys whose lives are pretty much dedicated to barbecue since that is their profession. And they tend to be very good at it. Like going to Cajun/Creole places in New Orleans, where the chef has been there doing it professionally at the same place for 60 years. Who also knows the producers of the seafoods personally and gets his product direct from the boats. Multiple generations being in the business for decades................. We can look at a lot of examples like that all across the country. You have some things, but much has to be shipped in because your growing seasons are shorter and your ag isn't as diverse as it is here or elsewhere. I'm just pointing out what is obviously true, particularly to those who've traveled. In the UK you'll find much better beers and hard ciders than you have available, the pubs themselves are a Hell of a lot more fun too BTW. And you'll find the breads are better, from the traditional bakeries, probably due to excellent water quality, the wheats they grow, the climate and humidity, and so on. Potatoes ? I've never had better than those grown in Ireland and the UK, the soils, climate and water quality are obviously big factors. Some places just do things better, and we're fortunate enough that some of them move to new places and bring their knowledge and skills with them to sell their traditions to the citizenry of wherever they went. Some will be very successful, others will not be, as with my previous example of opening a 'Minnesota Hot Dish Palace' in most places outside MN, even if they have an 'all you can eat lutefisk' night.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 5, 2014 18:44:12 GMT -6
We could say that about beers, flour, the oils used in cooking, and a lot of other things.
oh give me a break- your brush just keeps getting broader and broader
we had a term for it in beagling....kennel blind......
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 5, 2014 18:45:09 GMT -6
FWS sorry but your full of it man, We have bread shops in KC that make excellent and yes fresh breads so good people pay 8.00 a loaf for them, you see I am not spending 8.00 for a loaf of bread on a weekly basis, not am I traveling half way around the world to taste such things either. I would like to go to Ireland to taste some foods mainly to see the country and tour guinness brewery. beer is better? that is nothing but a personnel opinion, again I have has fresh micro brewed beer and I drink guinness and smithwicks and they are brewed in Dublin and shipped here. I have had it on tap as well and they all taste the same to me and all come from Ireland. yes I pay a little extra but places like Sams club and such makes enjoying such a cheaper deal. The very best sweet corn comes from the Midwest, cantaloup some of the best grown again Midwest, New young potatoes grown in the Midwest in the right soils are just fine for me. Again people have been doing fish in our country for many years so you have yet to tell us the secret to great fish and chips besides time, batters are all different and so are coatings, not everything from across the sea is so much better to many Americans. Their tastes buds thru many generations have changed for food of their culture and what they grew up with. This is all,personnel choice not something written in stone as you seem to want to make this. Only so many coatings for fried fish Try a bunch and see which you prefer as a person. Fish frying is not rocket science. Nothing complex about it like other dishes.
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Post by FWS on Jul 5, 2014 20:13:48 GMT -6
This really makes me laugh.............. You bet. They've been brewing beer for 2000+ years and they make some damn fine stuff. Why not some of them there Midwestern beers ? You're drinking imported beers and you're trying to argue this ? You like those two ? Well guess what there are many other beers there you'd enjoy just as much or more. Be the same if you go to Germany, Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, all those places the U.S. microbreweries are trying to copy. After they learn how to brew from the brewmasters in those countries. Well I'm sure they are for you, but they get better ya' know. Perhaps you should experience it......... Oh but I have told you, use fresh saltwater fish to start................... Did I say 'everything' ? Nope, just that there are many things that definitely are, enough so that they're copied here and elsewhere in the world.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 6, 2014 4:12:03 GMT -6
FWS I like irish beers because of the make and flavor problem not many US Mass brewers making such that being said some micro bees making some very good stouts and red ales, right now in the US IPA beers are big not a big fan but that is where the market is it seems, I have tasted some great stouts and red ales made here in the US and again a good friend makes excellent beer, so do I need to travel out of the IS for great beer? Nope I do not as companies bring beer to us here in the US and many micro brews making some great beer. You seem to want to hang onto the fact that because something originated elsewhere many,many years ago that people in the US can't do what they do and for the most part I don't buy what your selling . For me this thread has run way past its life span so we will agree to disagree you travel all over the world I will limit my travels good day. yesterday went and saw Monet,and many other artist at the Nelson Atkins museum in KC was free and no need to hop a plane and travel half way across the globe I Lkke it that way.
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Post by FWS on Jul 6, 2014 6:37:04 GMT -6
But their origin lies elsewhere, and what you are drinking are copies of the originals which have long histories.
Why deny that and claim it as a local invention ?
No, I'm just aware of the fact that the foods we eat and the drinks we consume usually originated elsewhere, some quite recently, and that they popularize different regions as time goes by.
Right. We know that. But you're missing out on a Hell of a lot........................
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Post by trappnman on Jul 6, 2014 8:42:09 GMT -6
I could list 100s of things you have never tried, never eaten, never done-
things I've done, eaten, experienced
experienced things you couldn't imagine, good and bad
frankly, I could give a rats are about how people do it in iowa, CA, or really anywhere
its called- thinking for yourself
I'm curious- why are your experiences, so much better than everyone elses in the world?
kennel blindness my friend, kennel blindness.....
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Post by Gerald Schmitt on Jul 6, 2014 11:16:48 GMT -6
Your right Steve, plenty of things to do in Minnesota, just as there is in California. People are free to live were they want, some small towns folks can't wait to get to a town like Minneapolis, others like the rural life style and don't care to live in the big cities.
Can't wait for the summer's first sweet corn, slathered with butter and salt.
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Post by FWS on Jul 6, 2014 12:33:27 GMT -6
Funny thing is that I've been told for years by people who've never been to CA how much it sucks, and when I point out that the reason I stay here is because I can't duplicate the outdoor opportunities I have available. Only to be told how nobody needs an ocean, or upland birds, waterfowl, varmints, fresh produce year round, mild climate, mountains, chaparral, high deserts, timber, millions of acres of public lands................. Never really made that claim. Why are yours 'as good as anywhere else' ? And just how is it that as politically and historically minded as you are that you completely miss the whole history of beer, hard ciders, wines, and other booze in the U.S. in comparison to the other countries I listed ? I can't be accused of not doing so.......................
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jul 6, 2014 13:43:26 GMT -6
Sport fishing should take precedence over commercial if its a limited resource.
They commercial netted lake of the woods until about 1985 for walleyes. I guarantee you that more money is made off that lake now than would be if they still netted it. Way way way more.
And who says I don't eat much fish. It probably averages to two three times a week.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 6, 2014 14:12:45 GMT -6
Why are yours 'as good as anywhere else' ?
why would they not be- I could live anywhere- nowhere offers as much opportunity, in THINGS I DEEM IMPORTANT Its all subjective.
Funny thing is that I've been told for years by people who've never been to CA how much it sucks, and when I point out that the reason I stay here is because I can't duplicate the outdoor opportunities I have available. Only to be told how nobody needs an ocean, or upland birds, waterfowl, varmints, fresh produce year round, mild climate, mountains, chaparral, high deserts, timber, millions of acres of public lands.................
never by me- I fully understand its what floats your boat- the Mississippi valley- floats my boat.
I've literally got excellent stream, river & lake fishing, turkey, deer, grouse, ducks and geese, pheasants, woodcock, rabbits ,squirrels, varments and multiple fur species, all within a mile of my house.
I don't want a year round mild climate- I want a good honest change in season-
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Post by FWS on Jul 6, 2014 18:01:29 GMT -6
Why should only recreational fishermen be allocated that resource ? When commercial fishermen essentially work for the public by catching publicly owned resources the public wants. That's really the same argument used by the antis on non consumptive use for many other resources. Which is what I've stated repeatedly and provided the examples. States like MN, MO, SD, ND, etc. I find far too restrictive. Now think about that for a bit as it relates to the overall opportunities I want and need, you're missing a HUGE component that I deem absolutely vital. There is little to no commercial fishing. As a muskrat guy you could do very well in CA even being limited to colony traps and cages. Think about beer for a bit, and hard ciders (which were the original drink of the early Americans), the various temperance movements destroyed hard cider in the 1800's and the Volstead Act aka Prohibition destroyed most of the breweries and vineyards. They destroyed the brewing equipment, pulled up the grape vines, cut down the cider apple orchards........... When it was repealed the big breweries cut themselves a fat deal with the Feds and they had a monopoly for the most part forcing Americans to drink the watered down donkey piss like Budweiser for 50 years. Until the law was changed in the late 70's allowing for home brewing and small breweries. The British, Irish, Germans, Belgians, French, etc. were never stupid enough to enact alcohol prohibition laws and they've been busy at it for hundreds of years, they produce some damn fine products. Now tell me you wouldn't enjoy an event like the Great British Beer FestivalBTW, for those who are so vehemently opposed to products from the oceans they need to stop drinking Guinness, since the clarifying agent used is isinglas, made from the swim bladders of cod. Guinness doesn't qualify as vegan as a result.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jul 6, 2014 21:49:59 GMT -6
Well we dont have to worry about the commercial vs recreational aspect for trapping because supposedly trapping isnt commercial.
Why should the recreatonal have precendence over the commercial on a limited resource?
Why not?
Should we start commercial hunting waterfowl again? Deer?
If the resource can handle it I say why not, but realistically most of the inland waters cant handle it. Just like there wouldnt be a duck left if commercial hunting for them was still in vogue.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 7, 2014 7:14:33 GMT -6
States like MN, MO, SD, ND, etc. I find far too restrictive.
Now think about that for a bit as it relates to the overall opportunities I want and need, you're missing a HUGE component that I deem absolutely vital. There is little to no commercial fishing.
you need to understand- commercial fishing is irrelevant to me- what those states offer that CA doesn't, and what trumps all- is foothold traps.
The British, Irish, Germans, Belgians, French, etc. were never stupid enough to enact alcohol prohibition laws
yet, the list of stupid by those countries in other areas, is endless.
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Post by FWS on Jul 7, 2014 10:14:06 GMT -6
Why not allocate a portion of the total allowable catch to each as is done in fisheries elsewhere. I don't think there would be much of a market in the US honestly, but in the UK and most of Europe it is legal to sell wild game, including waterfowl, and they do. Right, you lack the biomass and the habitats, as well as species diversity. I've pointed that out before. Right, just like coyotes are no more than long legged possums to me. And I spent many years and a lot of personal funds fighting to keep them, but now it's cage traps and ya' know what, on what I trap they work. And realistically, for what I trap, I can't duplicate it in another state even with legholds. And certainly not have all the other things I do alongside trapping, like hunt quail. Citizens who live in glass houses......... WW2 is over, the Allies won, the Germans are our buddies now, and the citizens of those countries would all be happy to let you sit next to em' in a pub, a cafe, or a beerhall and drink with you.
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