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[trappincoyotes39]

Arrest made in fatal stabbing of fan
Updated: September 27, 2013, 1:07 PM ET
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Dodgers Fan Killed Near Giants Park

San Francisco Chronicle reporter Henry K. Lee discusses the stabbing death of a Dodgers fan near San Francisco's AT&T Park.
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SAN FRANCISCO -- The man who was fatally stabbed during a confrontation a few blocks from AT&T Park after the Dodgers-Giants game Wednesday night was the son of a Dodgers security guard, the team said Thursday.

Dodgers spokesman Jared Kaufer said that Jonathan Denver's father, Robert Preece, worked security at Dodger Stadium.

San Francisco police say Denver, 24, was walking with his father, brother and two other people not far from the Giants' ballpark after San Francisco's 6-4 victory when their group exchanged words with some Giants fans who were leaving a nightclub.

The exchange turned physical, and Denver, who was wearing Dodgers gear, was stabbed.

"There is no rational explanation for this senseless act," the Dodgers said in a written statement. "The pain that this has caused his family and friends is unimaginable."

Denver's group left the stadium in the eighth inning. His attackers did not attend the game.

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San Francisco police said Michael Montgomery, 21, of Lodi, Calif., was arrested on suspicion of homicide in connection with the stabbing.

Montgomery's father said his son told him it was self-defense. Marty Montgomery told the Lodi News-Sentinel on Thursday that Michael Montgomery was jumped during the fight and that his son told him by phone that Denver had hit him over the head with a chair.

Michael Montgomery told his father that Denver yelled "Giants suck!" at Montgomery's friend, who was wearing a Giants hat, and that Denver and others hit Montgomery and his friends without warning.

Michael Montgomery and a friend went to Marty Montgomery's house in order to get the Giants hat before they left for San Francisco on Wednesday afternoon, his father said. They were going to attend a rave.

"If they didn't have the hat, they probably never would have been in this situation," Marty Montgomery said, adding that his son was not a passionate Giants fan.

Another person, whose name was not released, was also taken into custody.

"One of the suspects during the course of the interviews [with detectives] made incriminating statements that give us the indication that he will be the person booked for homicide," San Francisco Police Chief Greg Suhr told reporters. "We're trying to figure out what we're going to do with the other suspect. The investigation is still ongoing."

Denver's aunt, Janet Alvarado, told KNBC-TV in Los Angeles that he was a "gentle, sweet boy" who would never hurt anyone. Speaking from her home in Covina, she called his death senseless and said she had no idea how it happened.

Police said they were looking for two more suspects. Police were canvassing the area Thursday looking for the weapon used to kill Denver and any surveillance video of the crime.

Fans of both teams expressed a range of emotions as they entered Thursday night's game at AT&T Park.

"I was a little bit scared at first but then I thought tonight will probably be the safest night at this ballpark, so I thought it was still OK to bring my son out to the game," said Clay Brust, a Dodgers fan from Reno, Nev.

Brian Chew, a Giants fan from San Bruno, Calif., said the stabbing was unfortunate.

"It seems like the passion that exudes in some fans is really pointed in the wrong direction," Chew said. "We have bigger purposes in life than just orange and black, or blue and white."

The altercation was the second violent confrontation between Dodgers and Giants fans in the past several years to end in death or serious injury. Bryan Stow, a Northern California paramedic and Giants fan, suffered a traumatic brain injury when two men dressed in Dodgers gear attacked him following the teams' March 31, 2011, game in Los Angeles.

Stow's family said in a statement that they were "horrified and deeply saddened" by Wednesday's violence. "Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family."

Suhr said that Denver, his father and his brother had left a bar around 11:30 p.m. when they got into a spat about the Giants-Dodgers rivalry with a group of people leaving a nightclub. At first, Suhr said, no one was seriously hurt in the fight that occurred about 90 minutes after the game ended. But it picked up again a few minutes later, Suhr said, who added it wasn't clear who started the second fight but that it ended with Denver's stabbing.

The Giants and Dodgers are longtime division rivals, and passions tend to run high when the teams play. The Giants won the World Series last year but will miss the playoffs this year. The Dodgers, meanwhile, have won the NL West.

"I think the message to all people, all fans, is it's a game," Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said. "Leave it on the field."

Denver was born in Los Angeles County but was living in Fort Bragg, a city about 170 miles north of San Francisco, according to public records. He and his brother went to San Francisco to attend the game with their father, said Cas Smith, the owner of North Coast Plumbing in Fort Bragg, where Denver worked.

"He was a hardworking kid," Smith told San Jose-based KNTV.

Denver, who just started a job as a plumbing apprentice, did have two recent brushes with the law in Mendocino County, according to KGO-TV. He was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence in July and for public intoxication at the county fair this month.

Police said they didn't know whether alcohol was a factor in Wednesday's altercations.

In Fort Bragg, longtime friend Matt Gomes told KGO-TV that Denver was a die-hard Dodgers fan who "was a really great guy who would do anything for anybody and always put a smile on people's faces when he was around."

San Francisco police said they planned to have more officers on the streets, although they said that police presence is already higher for Giants-Dodgers games.

Violence has marred many other games between the teams. In 2003, Giants fan Marc Antenorcruz, 25, was fatally shot after an argument at Dodger Stadium.

Two Dodgers fans are awaiting trial on charges in the Stow beating, which sparked outrage and brought stadium security changes around the state and country.

The Giants have held occasional fundraisers for Stow. The team will donate $10 from each ticket sold in certain sections of AT&T Park at Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday's games to a fund set up for him, spokeswoman Staci Slaughter said.

Information from ESPNLosAngeles.com's Mark Saxon and The Associated Press was used in this report.

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[trappincoyotes39]

I have been to my share of professional sports events with my family and never seen this type of behavior most of it is fun ribbing not pulling knives and shanking people over what team is better good grief.

I have been to away games and most people are good natured some yell the choice word or two not directly at one person but this is crazy. Must be something in the water in southern Cali hey?

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

Background checks for knives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trappincoyotes39]

Yep her next bill will classify knives by size, blade shape and length and then labeled as assault knives and common use knives LOL.

[FWS]

Yep her next bill will classify knives by size, blade shape and length and then labeled as assault knives

It's already been done with the Switchblade Knife Act of 1958 and hundreds of state, county, and municipal laws before and since.................

Even in Missouri

Must be something in the water in southern Cali hey?

This incident occurred in San Francisco, which is not in SoCal, and SF gets their water from Hetch Hetchy Reservoir, which was created by damming up Hetch Hetchy Valley in Yosemite, and was filled with John Muir's tears. Yosemite is also not in SoCal.

I'd say if we looked we'd find similar incidents like this around the country at various sporting events over the years.

[trappincoyotes39]

In large areas you might like New York, Chicago maybe? Yet this isn't the first between two California fans it happened a few years back as well. Where ever the water is from must be something in there?

The knife thing was part in jest but I could see her trying such. If they have a black coating on the blade they are illegal because they come with the label tatical which of course means assault. LOL? She is wacky woman for sure!.............

The bill will,list any blade with a nitride coating as a weapon of death LOL.

[FWS]

In large areas you might like New York, Chicago maybe?

Perhaps not, particularly if we look at the domestic violence incurred whilst viewing sporting events at home.

Yet this isn't the first between two California fans it happened a few years back as well.

Out of the several thousand professional sporting events that take place in CA over that few years..............

But outside of the occassional beach volleyball tournaments I don't go to organized sporting events.

The fans at beach volleyball tournaments are the best ever BTW, thousands of attractive women in bikinis, shorts, those little sundresses. Which is way preferable to the 6 hairy fat guys who've painted team colors on their naked bodies at an NFL game or something similar.

[PamIsMe]

Violence during and after sporting events is certainly nothing new and definitely NOT exclusive to CA.
A good share of it has to do with crowd mentality and drinking.
Every college football game has fans ejected for drinking excessively (and underage drinking).
There have been a number of riots after a team has won or lost a major game ie the Superbowl.
And not just fans, there has been lots of bench clearing fights on TV over the years.

Pam

[trappincoyotes39]

Pam I'm talking more than a brawl and such yes drinking plays a big part but you can go to any NASACAR race and see 50,000 drunks for the most part they are all happy drunks. LOL. You don't hear much about blood letting and death from fighting over who has the fastest car LOL. There are plenty of people that go to sporting events and have some drinks and enjoy themselves, we are talking far above that in these cases the taking of a life over who's tam is better, that is more rare and should be as that is taking things to another level all together.

Sand beach volley ball an event really? LOL. I see it as more of a local thing than a national thing, like curling. Fun to watch durring the Winter Olympics but PPV of either would fail in a large way. Nor would either garner enough money to have on network TV week in and out. The AVP canceled operations in 2010 due to fianancil hardships sorry but not a sport that is going to spread anywhere except where you have sand LOL.



The St. Louis cardinals which is a small market team had 3.3 million people in attendence this year that is 2nd best in the MLB , that is amazing for that many people to attend any sporting events in a city of that size, but the cardinals are rare in the fact hey have fans from all over who come to see the cards play. They attracts fans from many states each year. yes there is far more to see and do in the St. Louis metro area but people seem to want to work in a cards game while planning their other activities while in St. Louis.

That is bringing tax dollars in and that is what moves our country!

They are spending well over 650 million on the downtown area and in 10 years they will have the best fan experience and offer more than any other baseball franchise in existence.



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[FWS]

Sand beach volley ball an event really? LOL

It's quite an event, like a big beach party.

I see it as more of a local thing

It has become popular globally, 24 countries fielded teams in the 2012 Olympics.

And it was a uniquely American sport, with CA as it's birthplace.

They've been playing it nude in Canada for decades, with nudist beach volleyball tournaments being held in the Eastern US as well.

ou can go to any NASACAR race and see 50,000 drunks for the most part they are all happy drunks. LOL. You don't hear much about blood letting and death from fighting over who has the fastest car

NASCAR fan shoots himself in the head at NRA 500 Sprint Cup race in Texas

Authorities say Kirk Franklin, 42, killed himself late in the race at Texas Motor Speedway. He apparently had been in an argument with fellow spectators before he shot himself at the race, sponsored by the National Rifle Association.

[FWS]

The St. Louis cardinals which is a small market team had 3.3 million people in attendence this year that is 2nd best in the MLB

Which goes back to the fact that the people there don't have much else to do...................

[trappnman]

I don't understand why its alsways an us vs them thing-

if you carry a knife- there are countless places you are asked to leave it outside- including many sporting events, concerts, bars etc. and this is esp true in SD

and there are multi laws on the books, throughout this country, concerning knifes- the type of blade, mechanical action, length, etc

stuff like the above happens in EVERY state- and I'll bet you the farm, if you wanted to bet, that i can pull up such in MO or any other state you care to mention

[trappincoyotes39]

FWS a least that guy harmed no one but himself. ascar fans a so polite about how they do things LOL.

You can keep the sand volleyball thanks though LOL.

Tman Yes I get your point much to do with the drinks being served and for good reason. Yet killing another over who team is better is just plain silly.

Most of this was some ribbing of course.............

[FWS]

You can keep the sand volleyball thanks though

I'm quite happy with it............... Way better than wrestling.

Yet killing another over who team is better is just plain silly.

And I think that the fanatical devotion to organized sports is just plain silly.

[trappincoyotes39]

Well you would be in the minority FWS, unless your just talking fanatical. Here is just the MLB attendence records Beach volley ball would be happy with 1/10,000 of that number LOL. Just look at the millions number line that is yearly attendance per stadium.



2013 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT
1 San Francisco 79 3,285,301 41,586 99.2 81 34,977 76.6 160 38,240 87.3
2 St. Louis 80 3,324,961 41,562 94.5 80 32,374 75.9 160 36,968 85.3
3 Boston 81 2,833,333 34,979 94.4 80 32,905 74.5 161 33,948 83.6
4 Detroit 81 3,083,397 38,066 92.3 80 28,021 67.1 161 33,075 79.7
5 Philadelphia 81 3,012,403 37,190 85.2 80 30,316 69.9 161 33,774 77.6
6 LA Dodgers 80 3,691,131 46,139 82.4 81 35,348 79.3 161 40,710 81.0
7 LA Angels 81 3,019,505 37,277 82.1 80 27,432 63.9 161 32,385 73.3
8 NY Yankees 81 3,279,589 40,488 80.5 79 33,545 78.6 160 37,060 79.6
9 Chicago Cubs 81 2,642,682 32,625 79.3 80 32,001 74.3 161 32,315 76.7
10 Washington 81 2,652,422 32,745 78.9 80 30,599 70.3 161 31,679 74.5
11 Texas 80 3,095,420 38,692 78.7 81 28,121 66.5 161 33,374 73.0
12 Minnesota 80 2,446,709 30,583 77.4 81 27,022 64.4 161 28,791 70.7
13 Milwaukee 81 2,531,105 31,248 74.6 80 30,959 71.4 161 31,104 73.0
14 Cincinnati 80 2,494,227 31,177 73.7 80 32,890 75.9 160 32,034 74.8
15 Pittsburgh 80 2,256,862 28,210 73.5 80 33,405 76.0 160 30,808 74.8
16 Colorado 81 2,793,828 34,491 68.3 80 32,423 72.2 161 33,463 70.1
17 Oakland 81 1,809,302 22,337 63.7 80 29,461 67.5 161 25,877 65.8
18 Baltimore 80 2,313,331 28,916 63.6 81 28,627 67.4 161 28,770 65.5
19 NY Mets 79 2,093,766 26,503 63.4 81 30,628 69.9 160 28,591 66.8
20 Toronto 80 2,492,011 31,150 63.2 81 28,039 66.0 161 29,585 64.5p
21 Atlanta 80 2,506,485 31,331 63.0 81 30,845 72.2 161 31,086 67.3
22 San Diego 81 2,166,691 26,749 62.7 80 32,096 71.2 161 29,406 67.0
23 Kansas City 81 1,750,754 21,614 57.0 80 27,493 64.8 161 24,535 61.1
24 Tampa Bay 81 1,510,300 18,645 54.7 80 29,816 67.0 161 24,196 61.6
25 Chicago White Sox 79 1,745,780 22,098 54.4 81 27,333 65.0 160 24,748 59.9
26 Arizona 80 2,104,375 26,304 54.1 81 33,054 73.8 161 29,700 63.6
27 Miami 80 1,558,007 19,475 52.0 80 30,091 68.9 160 24,783 61.1
28 Houston 80 1,611,341 20,141 49.2 81 27,574 64.0 161 23,881 56.8
29 Seattle 80 1,744,465 21,805 45.5 81 28,445 67.5 161 25,146 55.9
30 Cleveland 80 1,572,926 19,661 45.3 79 28,200 67.7 159 23,904 56.2

[trappincoyotes39]

Now add in football, NASCAR,NBA, and NHL and see what percentage of the US goes to some type of sporting event each season? If hunters and trappers had that kind of following the anti's would be out of business fast!. This isn't counting minor league action of each sport or MLS soccer. Think of the revenue generated Becuase of these events? Add it all up and what are we looking at as an economic impact to those cities with teams or events?

Super Bowl commands the highest advertising rates and highest ratings of any thing ever shown. 111 million people watched the Super Bowl that is 1/3 rd of the entire US population are they all fanatical? I think not.

[FWS]

Well you would be in the minority FWS

Not really, there a whole lot more people who don't pay attention to sports than there are those that do.

If hunters and trappers had that kind of following the anti's would be out of business fast!

We might be close to exceeding our 'carrying capacity' for the available resources overall, there are exceptions of course, but access and opportunity has declined for a lot of it.

[trappincoyotes39]

All depends on where your at FWS but no nothing is going to be 100 percent but again you lose sight of the facts that sports drive certain areas and the revenue generated is massive and well received from many.

Ever notice all the pro teams that do camo colors? A direct correlation between sportsmen/woman and pro/college sports. A big percentage.

[trappnman]

just for the record- much of the attendance are season tickets holders, or those buying packages- not singular users

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman in baseball season tickets aren't a big portion of ticket sales as not many people can afford to attend all 81 home games and many are bought on a secondary exchange meaning ticket brokers but most people can go to the team site and get tickets to most games but the secondary market can be much cheaper my favorite is stub hub I can get cheaper tickets from them than direct for most venues.

Yes they count tickets sold not used but it is still sold tickets. Most of the time depending on where your at the numbers are close by looking at the seats. Some are off because of the policy of counting sold not used. The profit sharing did away with the old counting system of counting how many went through the turn buckles.

Baseball has many people that attend a few games a season Becuase of the length same with hockey, you get more season ticket holders for football where the season is only 10 home games. Figure parking at most baseball venues and you can add 800 to 1200 onto your season ticket cost.

In St Louis parking is 20.00 I offset that buy spending the night and get great deals on motels durring certain times so if I pay 57.00 for the motel and free parking I save the 20.00 to park and the room runs me 37.00 and I stay at 4 star motels. No 4 hr drive back home I can sleep and see other things while in St Louis. I pick our games buy the going rate of motels I find. Anyway to save some money. Last cards game seats cost me 10.80 and we received free hotdogs and pops so are tickets cost me 1.80 because of the free pop and hotdog. Great family fun for the money.