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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 14, 2013 16:17:49 GMT -6
FWS the state legislators are primarily Republican even with towns like Sioux Falls, Rapid City, Aberdeen and Yankton and Brookings being the larger cities of the state you will still find most are republican dominate and business has been coming to the area for years. It is a mind set in some states and SD happens to be one f those that your model won't have that kind of effect. YOu have to factor in more than just an influx of business, SD is a cold state people have to WANT to live there as your getting 5+ months of winter and not really the ideal place for just anyone. It is more remote and colder than many of the NE states as well. That area is still AG dominate due to lower land prices and much of the state undeveloped. Most all the business will stay in the larger hubs you won't have a lot of branching out like in others states with many cities above 50,000 population. It is kind of unique for sure.
The Hutterite population continues to grow and they buy up more land all the time and I can tell you they aren't big on social programs as they are self supporting.
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Post by FWS on Aug 14, 2013 16:35:01 GMT -6
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 15, 2013 6:04:38 GMT -6
"attrition rate of grumpy old white guys"
What color are you FWS?
OMG, that was probably a highly insensitive, politically incorrect question wasn't it?
I think the term grumpy is a bit light for the way I feel. Malevolence is a bit heavy. Somewhere in between but a long way from Grumpy.
Malhumerado.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 15, 2013 6:13:55 GMT -6
SD is colder than Mn? rethorical question, no need to inject yet another red herring
I'm more than happy to have the Reps nationally, nominate people that can't win.
interesting on the talk shows last Sunday- some Reps that are starting to throw their hat in the ring- Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Bachmann, Santorum, TRUMP-
carry one boys, carry on- as a wag said- no one wants any of those to be President, but by God we want them to run!
Is a postion of no compromise, the way to govern?
I think the answer is quite clear- if its NOT to Reps, it should be.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Aug 15, 2013 6:22:04 GMT -6
"Not to put you in the grave too soon Joel, but the attrition rate of grumpy old white guys who make up the GOP base is accelerating, and for each of you who dies, two Latinas are there to take your place."
Yeah, they'll come but we'll just keep breeding them.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 16, 2013 6:32:02 GMT -6
exactly what was said about each wave of immigrants
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 16, 2013 19:35:07 GMT -6
The reps will win again as it is bond to happen seeing how we will have 8 or 12 years of the dems in power and very little being done since Obama has been POTUS and 5 years after the fact he is still blaming Bush on TV LOL. Sure Bush did some things that didn't help and congress is a joke over all, but the buck stops so him. 90 percent plus of home loans made in the last few years are backed by tax payers, Affordable care proofing not to be so affordable with 3 delays in implementation . Money being printed like candy bars and inflation will be knocking at the door sooner rather than later.
I love their policy on early childhood education as well a great plan..................... Well that is if you don't have early childhood education if you do say goodbye to your funding over the next 3 years.
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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 16, 2013 21:06:25 GMT -6
"..Sure Bush did some things that didn't help and congress is a joke over all..." Those have to be the understatements of the year. Can't they Read? www.gallup.com/poll/163964/congress-approval-rating-remains-near-historical-lows.aspxCongress approval has averaged 15% thus far in 2013, on pace to tie 2012 as the lowest yearly average since Gallup began asking Americans to rate Congress' performance in 1974. (And the Repubs were in control of Congress then as well.) "90 percent plus of home loans made in the last few years are backed by tax payers ..." Fannie Mae was created in 1938, Freddie Mac in 1968. So, what's new about tax payers backing mortgages? Until the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented no one can say whether or not it is affordable. If the Repubs would quit wasteing time trying to be obstructionists (C'mon, 40 votes on something they know will never pass) and using every stupid scare tactic they can think of (like the President taking all guns away) and decide to actually get something constructive done, we'd all be better off. Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 17, 2013 6:32:50 GMT -6
Congress has been controlled by the dems for period of Obama's term and the ratings not much better hence the swing back in the house.
What's wrong with the feds controlling this massive amount of home loans really? WE saw how Freddie and Fannie where run by our govt you want more of the same under a different name? Really? They do it to inflate numbers and make things appear better than they are. I don't listen to much politics anymore from either side I listen to economist that many say the worst has yet to happen in this economy, and things our federal govt is doing is not really helping but creating more issues long the way.
The re pubs wasting time on Affordable healthcare? It has been passed and was to be implemented and now that process is going in reverse because of rising cost, there is No denying those facts. You have private insurence still at the helm it doesn't matter what this act claims are the results and those are being found out not to be what the act had in mind. Private insurence will not absorb the increase that simple so it has and will be passed on tothose paying the bill. Resulting in maybe some more coverage but A a much higher cost to those that pa for healthcare, there is NO savings and will be NO savings for those that pay their an premium through a private company. The numbers bear that out healthcare has risen at or above the average prior to enacting the so called affordable healthcare act.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 17, 2013 7:18:40 GMT -6
and in those 2 years, some things at least got done
40 some votes to denounce health care? give me a freaking break- if yo ureally don't think thats an exercise in ingnorance and stupidity, then thats fine-
your attitude, that a moderate Rep has no place in national politics, is something I hope all your brethern think as well
and btw- Romney didn't lose cause he was a moderate- Romney lost because he was STUPID and let his mouth, override his brain
one can continue to kiss up to big insurance, and beleive their shite, or one can live in reality
HC costs are not going up because of the law, its going up because of continued GREED
hey, lets debate wherether we are going to enter WW2- that would be about a sensible
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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 17, 2013 10:30:52 GMT -6
"The numbers bear that out healthcare has risen at or above the average prior to enacting the so called affordable healthcare act."
What ARE those numbers? Health insurance costs have been risen every year. The Act hasn't taken affect yet, so how can there be numbers proving the cost of insurance has gone up because of it? Let's see what happens in January when the health care exchanges are in place, and in 2015 and 2017.
The cost of "care" going up has more to do with Dr.'s. hospitals, clinics and corporations being greedy than with the cost of actual care. Around here it seems we're paying for more new and fancy buildings than the actual care. There's no reason why the same proceedure should vary hundred's of dollars depending on where one lives.
No one has ever said the Affordable Health Care Act is perfect, it will always need some tweaking, but at least it's a start in the right direction. No one in this country should die from lack of care because they don't have insurance or the money to pay for it.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Aug 17, 2013 18:22:23 GMT -6
Sure they should pam.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 17, 2013 21:31:43 GMT -6
No one should starve either but it happens every day. No one should be homeless or jobless or sick or sad or in pain or broke or......................
Tman I agree Romney isn't that bright political fellow no doubt about that. I didn't vote for him either.
It is not buying into any BS , it is the mere fact that private insurance is going to be a part of our healthcare system for many,many years even when the so called affordable healthcare does go into effect fully, that all those enactments will in FACT cost those paying the premiums more money NO way around that as long as private companies are writing the majority of the policies.
It is a fact that the cost have gone up because of what has been enacted to this point, as the insurance companies will not eat the added expenses incurred from those enactments. Look at what it would have cost colleges who have a monthly fee that is mandatory for all who go to the school, it was going to raise because of the no limits clause regardless if you believe the insurance companies or not those cost where going up 2 times plus and a big reason as to why this lifetime max was put on hold for yet another year, to BARGIN with those private companies I'm sure.
Healthcare is a free enterprise the president or the congress isn't going to be able to legislate every aspect of cost with the private companies still having the control.
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Post by FWS on Aug 17, 2013 21:52:18 GMT -6
Not really, it is too heavily subsidized by taxpayers at all levels to be 'free enterprise'.
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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 18, 2013 0:48:11 GMT -6
Back to original subject:
Chris Christie Vetoes Proposed .50-Caliber Rifle Ban He Once Supported
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) vetoed legislation on Friday that would have banned .50-caliber rifles from the state, despite backing the same proposal just months ago.
In April 2013, Christie recommended banning the sale of Barrett .50-caliber semi-automatic sniper rifles as part of a group of proposals to curb gun violence. On Friday, Christie said the ban wouldn't make the Garden State any more safe, according to Reuters.
"Tellingly, the legislature points to no instance of this class of firearms being used by even a single criminal in New Jersey," he said. "The wide scope of this total ban, therefore, will not further public safety, but only interfere with lawful recreational pastimes."
The Washington Post reports State Assembly Speaker Sheila Y. Oliver (D) called Christie’s veto “a failure in leadership" and a move meant to appease Republicans.
On August 8, Christie signed into law 10 "common-sense measures" tightening restrictions on guns in New Jersey. Those measures were introduced after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, which left 26 people -- including 20 children -- dead.
The AP reports:
Lawmakers have taken up more than two dozen bills. Of the 15 sent to Christie, he has signed 11, including one on Friday creating a school task force. Among those Christie signed previously was one that would bar people on terrorist watch lists from being able to buy guns. The one he rejected outright would have barred the state from investing in companies with firearms or ammunition businesses.
After Newtown, Christie formed a task force to deal with guns, mental health and media violence, and it recommended several measures similar to ones adopted by lawmakers.
But on Friday, Christie complained in one veto message that lawmakers were haphazard in their approach to gun violence and didn't heed the more comprehensive recommendations of the task force.
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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 18, 2013 0:51:38 GMT -6
"..No one should starve either but it happens every day. No one should be homeless ..."
Is this describing a third world country or the US? Or are we the richet most powerful nation in the world as we like to think? Why anyone starves or goes without health care in this country is beyond me.
Does it occur to anyone else that maybe one of the reasons for the high cost of health insurance is there are so many people without it? WE pay for them one way or another. I'd rather they have their own insurance. The more people paying, the lower the cost should become to everyone else. If and when basic preventative care and check-ups is covered, major illness should go down.
I don't see the insurance companies whining and complaining about the Health care bill, most seem to have no problem getting exchanges ready to go.
Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 18, 2013 7:41:23 GMT -6
Even the richest county in the world and we have lost a lot of wealth in this country in the last 10 years or so, can't do everything for everyone not with 300 million pluses pile sorry.
I don't buy for a second the main cause of ever rising healthcare is the uninsured. Look at technology cost, drug cost, hospitol cost, insurence to cover their actions cost, etc. It is easy to say the uninsured keep prices going higher but is a just a smaller portion is all. The rate of return on investments has gone down a lot in the last 15 years or so.
That effects insurence and banks. Also these companies have a set profit margin they want to maintain and as long as they control things they will see to it that is stays more constant. I liken health insurence to oil it is something all need but we will never see it out of the hands of the private markets because they spend way too much money buying everyone off. I bet the health care companies have a back door deal in this so called affordable healthcare as well.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 18, 2013 7:46:00 GMT -6
The 50 cal rifles are not your weapon of choice for closer range mass shootings LOL. It isn't a gun to be packing around that is for sure. I know a few guys that use them for long range coyote shooting. More. Novelty than anything else really. But as mentioned the 50 isn't a gun I would want to be carrying around. If people want to own one who cares most are a novelty deal as e guns are heavy, high cost and ammo and brass is really expensive as well.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 18, 2013 8:59:05 GMT -6
TC- is your wife, not employed by the PUBLIC ie govt benefits, wages ,pemission, HC etc?
as you were for many years.
let make it simple for you- the correct thing to do- would be to have ZERO HC paid for to anyone, at the publics expense-
you want HC costs to go down- get rid of 100% of HC insurance-
as far as letting people starve or die from lack of basic medical care- some people believe in community and country- others only talk the talk about being patriots
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Aug 18, 2013 9:02:04 GMT -6
I'm all for taking care of the kids.
they cant pick.
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