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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 20, 2012 1:17:42 GMT -6
Gun Deaths Will Exceed Traffic Fatalities By 2015, Study Says
It would mark 1st time in modern U.S. history that firearm deaths overtake auto-related ones
In three years, the number of deaths caused by guns in America is expected to exceed the number of traffic fatalities for the first time in modern U.S. history. The number of shooting deaths is expected to rise to 32,929 in 2015, according to a 10-year average based on Centers for Disease Control Data. By contrast, the number of traffic deaths is expected to continue its fall and decline to 32,036 thanks to advances in safety technology. By contrast, "we've made policy decisions that have had the impact of making the widest array of firearms available to the widest array of people under the widest array of conditions," Garen Wintemute, a professor at the University of California-Davis, tells Bloomberg, which compiled the data. The number of annual traffic fatalities in America peaked in 1979, with more than 53,524 Americans killed on the road. The 10-year average has fallen since. Gun deaths peaked at 37,666 in 1993, declined to 28,393 in 2000, and have gradually increased over the past decade, according to the Bloomberg data.
Likely two thirds of the rising rate of gun deaths will be suicides. Safety regulations required of auto manufacturer's likely account for the death rate going down.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 20, 2012 8:21:47 GMT -6
So, what are you saying? More gun control?
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Post by trappnman on Dec 20, 2012 10:25:32 GMT -6
if limiting someones right to have a gun that shoots 50 shoots means my kid or grand kid or your kid and grandkid doesn't die senselessly, then so be it!
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Post by bblwi on Dec 20, 2012 12:34:03 GMT -6
What has changed in our society since 1993? Is there less violent crime? Have we made some progress in some of the mental illness areas? Have we Incorporated safety initiatives in facilities etc.? The reason I ask is that in those 19 years we have roughly 40 million more to 50 million more citizens and also a large increase in undocumented citizens. These somewhat frequent mass killings are similar to aircraft crashes. They are dram tic and news creating but the relative deaths compared to non mass killings is very small. Air travel is actually safer than driving an auto. Our public places are very safe when compared to the deaths in other areas or facilities. This incident will probably lead to some law changes. Will those changes curb or lower the incidence of events such as Newtown? We would need to wait and see the results. The private weapons and firearm industry is a huge industry in the US both private and public sector. (Military Defense, national security, CIA)
Bryce
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Post by Yodog on Dec 20, 2012 12:37:24 GMT -6
I want to know why the folks who lost their lives in Colorado are less important than those lost i'm CT? Both tragic events, but not one word about gun control as the Colorado incident was right in the middle of the election
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Post by bblwi on Dec 20, 2012 14:26:40 GMT -6
Follow the money to find out who, whom or what is important in our materialistic nation. It is probably one reason that some choose the more dramitic way to leave this earth, they know what creates news, media and hype.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Dec 20, 2012 16:17:12 GMT -6
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AN ELECTION OR NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS.
its both sides of the chamber, and overwhelmingly supported by the public-
I see the NRA is going to have a major proposal announcement tomorrow- I look forward to hearing it as they, unlike so many of their supporters, know input and compromise is needed, because this isn't going away
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 20, 2012 16:28:58 GMT -6
First off they can not say with an ounce of certainty what deaths will be in the comming years, weather has a big factor in traffic deaths and gun shottings are random nothing you can put a number on until they happen.
Secondly controlling the ar rifles and pistols will have little effect on what happens in these tragic deals, if anyone THINKS the people doing this won't resort to something else then their mistaken. I can think of other ways that could be far worse for pure death numbers and these pycho's will to without a problem or hesitation to do so.
More rules on mental health people yes but overall stricter gun control for ALL? I'm not in favor of it and either is the supreme court as they have spoken.
Again this is a knee jerk reaction, nothing more or less. The REAL answer comes with the mental people and that will cost far more to get under control than the swipe of a pen outlawing AR's and 3 day waits for pistol purchase. Other wise just a different means to an end. Pycho's don't follow the law or worry about weapon choice, they will find something to replace what ever you try and take away. THe issue is mental health not gun control for any REAL change.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 20, 2012 16:34:04 GMT -6
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Post by trappnman on Dec 20, 2012 16:35:05 GMT -6
no, its not a knee jerk reaction-
its an honest attempt by BOTH sides of congress, and the public, to do something. As was stated by out president- just because something is hard, or seems impossible, doesn't mean we shouldn't debate it or try to solve it
TC what you need to understand- changes are coming- that ship has sailed- so standing on the shore screaming at the boat to come back, is just going to make you hoarse-
thank God we have people on the boat- far more help and use to us, than those that missed the boat.
Any funding and treating mental illness, is a top priority in the quest for solutions- yet, many still call that "entitlement"-
and I'm sorry, but I'm tired of seeing innocents killed- if an honest debate, and changes can prevent this, or most of that- I'm all for it
what the answers are, I don't know-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 20, 2012 18:55:45 GMT -6
I'm all for answers and solutions but the gun ban isn't going to do a darn thing for things of this nature, it simply will not. Making this a knee jerk reaction and far less costly to boot!
If you look at the makeup of these people taking away AR's or limiting mag capacity will never do what some feel it "might". I don't want a reaction I want solutions. When dealing with the 2nd amendment or any part of our constitution I want clear answers for change, not throwing darts at a board and hoping something will stick.
If you think anyting the congress or our President might do will end the killing of innocents to any minute degree then you do, but NO WAY I believe that for a nano second. WE have outlawed child porn yet how many still delve into that crap? WE have outlawed many things and really never made a dent in it. Many are for legalizing pot because it is so wildy used, yet many are against certain firearms? Less than 7% of the gun market is in the AR platform, yet we will outlaw the use of such to protect the innocent? I think not.
You can state change is comming and it might well be, but will that "change" really change the outcome of such as we have seen? Again where not playing with a state law we are changing the very foundation of our country! To me and others that holds a very high importance.
Let the states decide through a public vote if AR;s should be legal in their states or not. Local control not some fed people with a "feeling" on what might work or know better for the people.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 20, 2012 20:43:03 GMT -6
There is nothing that will be put on the table that would stop what happened from happening again.
No different than passing more marijuana laws will stop people from using it.
Gun control is just prohibition by another name.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 20, 2012 21:05:01 GMT -6
I don't need or want the Central govt telling ME what is right or wrong, as their compass is really off by more than a few degrees. Let the people state to state decide what is right for their people. Not some bureaucrats and vote getter's sitting in DC...........
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 20, 2012 22:58:20 GMT -6
It's an attempt to control something incomprehensible that can't be controlled.
Might "feel" good to some, but it sure doesn't feel good to me.
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Post by mmwb (Andrew Parker) on Dec 20, 2012 23:00:43 GMT -6
"if limiting someones right to have a gun that shoots 50 shoots means my kid or grand kid or your kid and grandkid doesn't die senselessly, then so be it!"
As a father and grandfather, I can certainly relate to the sentiment. However, there really is nothing to indicate that a restriction of that nature will do anything to prevent future violence. Proposed restrictions are based on a hope, not a foundation. If you wish to increase the safety for your kids or grand kids, better to have armed and trained teachers in the schools. It definitely made a difference for Israel.
Understand that a person bent on murder and mayhem will utilize any means necessary. If you could magically remove all firearms from the earth, then people will be bombed. If not bombs, then people will be gassed. If not gassed then they will be burned. Get over the idea that you will create laws, regulations, or restrictions that will stop these types of people. When it comes down to action, they are at least as dedicated at committing the act as the rest of us are at preventing it. . Mental health funding has continued to experience cuts for several years in a row now.
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 21, 2012 1:21:02 GMT -6
"It definitely made a difference for Israel." Yeah well Israel is a war zone, has been for years. ========== jewishpreppers.com/2012/12/are-israeli-teachers-armedTeachers in Israel do not necessarily carry guns. It definitely is not a government policy to do so. But that having been said, they CAN carry guns and almost all of them are trained in shooting guns. There are generally government hired armed school guards in front of EVERY school in Israel…and there are armed individuals walking every street in Israel. It’s complicated, but there are three types of civilian gun licenses in Israel. Self defense, hunting and collectors. Mind you almost everybody has been in the military and may be eligible to take home their military issued rifle (depending on unit, rank and reason) Remember Israel has a draft system where by every 18 year old male is required to serve in the army for 3 years and women for 2 years (yes, women! It is the ONLY country in the world that drafts women into it’s ranks not during wartime!). After the active duty all men are required to be in the reserves until age 40-45. Almost everyone in the country knows basic combat skills, how to operate a firearm and basic first aid. Additionally, they have a different mentality, being confronted by constant threats, that anyone, anywhere and at anytime may be a danger. With all that in mind, Israelis have never had a school shooting perpetrated by one of their own. There have been cases of school shootings by the hands of terrorists, see Ma’alot – en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alot_massacre ======== Maybe we should just draft ALL 18 year olds and get them trained in weapons handling and basic combat skills. That way, in a few years all the new teachers would already be pre-qualified and comfortable with carrying guns. Pam
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 21, 2012 1:30:59 GMT -6
Other than the draft word in there that makes a lot of sense.
If everyone was trained with weapons there wouldn't be so much BS put out there about them.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 21, 2012 6:52:45 GMT -6
December 21, 2012- I agree with Joel.
Its a Christmas miracle..............
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 21, 2012 7:53:10 GMT -6
Merry Christmas Steve!!
Hey the end of the world came and went, are you still here?
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Post by trappnman on Dec 21, 2012 8:01:48 GMT -6
so far-
I just looked at my calandar, and by gosh, it ends dec 31- so still not sure.......
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