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Post by trappnman on Dec 20, 2012 10:23:15 GMT -6
the plug rule is not nonsense- I heartily endorse it for hunting waterfowl, etc-
it came into effect because of market hunters- but it danm sure eliminates a good portion of sky blasting and group shooting- and both of tose leas to too many wasted birds
plugs are only needed when hunting certain species, so if for home safety you need 10x that many shots- go for it.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 20, 2012 16:39:23 GMT -6
Tman the plug rule does not limit sky busting at all, that is hunter ethics not magazine capacity. So you have 3 sky buter shots versus the normal 5 in most shotguns. The plug rule doesn't pertain in the spring snow goose season, again hunter ethics for sky busting.
Not in all states Tman, in MO here even small game hunting you need a plug in your gun squirrels included. only deer and spring goose are exempt. I follow the law but don't think much of it myself. Again doesn't solve hunter ethics at all.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 20, 2012 16:52:47 GMT -6
I told you, the plug rule went into effect because of market hunters from what I understand. esp with guns coming out like the model 12 with 7 shots and a long barrell- a gun made for market hunting as much as anything
since I see very little hunter ethics anymore, I'm glad to see them limited to 3 shots, and not more
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Post by bblwi on Dec 20, 2012 19:20:25 GMT -6
I have hunted with pump shotguns sine I was 14 and never did take a plug out of my gun for grouse, rabbits, pheasants, deer whatever. We have shotgun deer hunting in my county and near the end of the day sometimes you can here 20-40 rounds going off by groups after some drives. Some at deer some at other targets.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 20, 2012 19:26:52 GMT -6
well in Iowa years back I hunted with a semi auto shotgun for deer and party hunting is/was legal and I have shot 5 deer with 5 slugs on deer drives, not bragging just stating that more than 3 doesn't always mean bad things. WE meat hunted and kept our deer numbers in check.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 20, 2012 20:30:06 GMT -6
The plug rule was not about sky busting, it was about ground sluicing masses of concentrated birds. Since there is a limit law the plug rule is an extra layer that is totally unnecessary.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Dec 20, 2012 22:13:42 GMT -6
Back when we had sharptails and hungarian partridges it was a regular occurence to shoot 4 5 times.
Jump a covey of ten twelve and they'd get up one two three at a time and it was kinda nice to not have to reload. And anybody that has shot many huns know it was about as easy to miss one as hit it.
Doesnt matter to me now as I use an over under.
Skybusting is relative. Whats too high? I dont know as I havent shot a duck or goose in 10 15 years.
Buddy of mine tells me a story of the first time he was checked by a certain warden hunting geese on the rice paddies. Warden was kinda lecturing them about "skybusting", as he was talking a flock of geese came and the warden said those are too high. Buddy of mine dumped one and said maybe not.
How high is too high? 40 yards? 50 yards? 30 yards?
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 20, 2012 22:53:34 GMT -6
With steel shitt, I mean shot it's about 10 feet.
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 21, 2012 1:28:24 GMT -6
"It has been in effect for so long that it has become part of the custom and culture and no one questions it anymore."
And if some new gun laws were passed, in a few years as the older generation dies out, they would also be accepted and adapted to the same way.
Pam
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 21, 2012 1:34:02 GMT -6
That has happened in a lot of countries. Usually ends up in gun bans and then mass genocide.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 21, 2012 7:53:36 GMT -6
Pam that is an interesting outlook on laws? So we can outlaw trapping as in a few years no one would know a difference it would be the new norm? Because some don't like it?
Or we could raise taxes to 40% on all workers as within 10 years it wouldn't be a big deal'?
When your dealing with change in our consititution it should be looked at much closer and solutions found and not reactions, or what value does it really have to that mind set?
If your looking for an answer I'm afraid your not going to find one that will get you the desired results and to claim new gun laws will do anything for that answer ? I think not...............
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Post by trappnman on Dec 21, 2012 7:56:37 GMT -6
the problem TC- is that there ARE going to be solutions- good or bad
and standing on the sidelines crying there is no problem is not helping anything
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 21, 2012 10:06:12 GMT -6
Tman you are sure these will be solutions and not just attempts? How are you so sure? So by solving the issue means we will no longer have children dying in our schools from violence? Or they just won't be dying by Ar's?
One is truly a solution the other just an action or attempt, in my book BIG difference,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 21, 2012 12:21:54 GMT -6
"One is truly a solution ..
which one is that?
Pam
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 21, 2012 14:16:07 GMT -6
There are no solutions to what happened. It's not a perfect world and try as we might we can't make it that way.
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Post by bblwi on Dec 21, 2012 18:16:59 GMT -6
There may never be a complete solution to preventing mass violence but getting all parties to the table to discuss paths for improvement would be good. If I were the NRA I would take a very low profile on this hot button issue this soon after an election and with the house GOP house not being able to show leadership and Obama not needing to worry about reelection this may well be a battle he can push forward and keep the rest of the Dem's out of the line of fire like they have chosen to do the last decade or so. Public support can support an administration without having the parties get involved. Who knows gun control could be a bigger issue in 3 months then the fiscal cliff is now. If we go over the cliff the wealthy keep their money and the middle class loses a lot and the poor lose their programs. If the country wants to blame the GOP house for that the 2014 election could be a humdinger. There are millions and millions more who will pay more taxes and lose programs then there are wealthy who will pay a bit more and the capital gains tax will hurt medium sized businesses, and smaller investors as much or more than the large investors as most of them have off shore accounts that are tax sheltered to begin with.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 21, 2012 20:47:18 GMT -6
pam a solution would be to end violence in schools and other public places, an attempt would be to ban AR rifles, as the violence would continue on just taking another form.
The solution is one we can chase like a dog chases his tail. Many parents have come to schools through the years wanting a gurantee of safety for their kids in public schools for various reason, the answer is always the same NO one can make such a gurantee as it is a public function of life, like many other public functions and a 100% IRON CLAD GURANTEE of public safety is not possible. For some to think banning ar's would take steps towards that is off thinking in my opinion.
You want more safety in schools then have armed guards and better survailance and magnetic passes to get into and out of a school, bullet proof glass at the front desk are all far better actions than banning a certain type of firearm.
I have No doubt layers of protection would be far better than staying statis quo and making AR;s illegal for all. One could curb not end the violence far more than the other IMOC.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 22, 2012 5:53:26 GMT -6
Dog chasing his tail sums it up TC. Perfect analogy.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 22, 2012 8:01:12 GMT -6
pam a solution would be to end violence in schools and other public places,
thats not a soltuion, thats a goal
I'm disappointed in the NRAs news conference, I frankly expected better, but I've spoken my last on this-
when change is coming, and it is make no mistake about that- one needs to be part of the change
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 22, 2012 10:29:58 GMT -6
What change are you talking about?
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