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Post by FWS on Dec 18, 2012 13:51:30 GMT -6
Discovery Cancels American Guns After Newtown TragedyBy Sadie Gennis Seattle Post-Intelligencer Tuesday, December 18, 2012 Discovery will not renew reality series American Guns for a third season, Deadline reports. "American Guns concluded earlier this year," a rep for the series told the site. "Discovery Channel chose not to renew the series and has no plans to air repeats of the show." Has your favorite show been canceled? The network says the decision had been made a while ago and did not link the cancellation to Friday's school shooting in Newtown, Conn., when 26 people, including 20 children, were killed by the son of a gun collector. But the series, which followed a family of gun makers in Colorado, had been drawing negative attention since the shooting, with many calling for its cancellation. American Guns star Paige Wyatt shared a screengrab of a tweet she received Saturday, stating: "Sickening to zap into American Guns right after the #Newtown shooting. Are you aware that you are encouraging this culture?" Wyatt commented that the person "obviously needs to be educated," adding multiple hashtags, including #aggravating, #dumb, #gunsdontkillpeoplepeoplekillpeople and #yourstupidityisbaffling. If American Guns was axed in light of the shooting, it would be the first series to be canceled as a result of it. Many networks have already taken care to avoid airing sensitive content. Syfy pulled Friday's episode of Haven, which featured violence at a high school. TLC postponed its Best Funeral Ever special from Dec. 26 to Jan. 6. Fox preempted Family Guy and American Dad on Sunday, and ABC temporarily removed Scandal's winter finale episode from its website before restoring it on Monday.  |
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Post by FWS on Dec 18, 2012 14:02:53 GMT -6
And good riddance to them too, hopefully that other "gunmaker" show gets axed as well.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 18, 2012 16:35:13 GMT -6
What's your problem with guns?
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Post by FWS on Dec 18, 2012 17:51:47 GMT -6
No problem with guns, I most likely own more than you do. And shoot more. And hunt more.
What I do have a problem with are shows like this that misrepresent gun owners and put out the public perception that they do.
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Post by C1972 on Dec 18, 2012 18:53:18 GMT -6
No problem with guns, I most likely own more than you do. And shoot more. And hunt more. What I do have a problem with are shows like this that misrepresent gun owners and put out the public perception that they do. Exactly. |
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 18, 2012 19:09:49 GMT -6
Do they misrepresent gun owners? This sounds kind of like what Jim Zumbo said about using AR 15's for hunting. Just because it doesn't fit in your box?
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Post by FWS on Dec 18, 2012 19:11:49 GMT -6
Anybody else leery of the portrayal of trapping, traps, and trappers on the reality TV shows that are currently in production focusing on that activity ? Can't say that I'm enthralled by the prospect. Much less believe trappers will reap a windfall in positive media exposure, quite the opposite seems much more likely. Even many hunting shows, produced by hunters, do us no real favors.  |
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Post by FWS on Dec 18, 2012 19:26:17 GMT -6
Those are separate issues, I don't care if you hunt with an AR variant, they can work quite well for hunting. Though if you felt the need to have a topped off 30 round magazine in to hunt deer, where you have one tag and are not doing control work, you probably should learn to shoot.  But if you want to defend shows that portrays really bad gunsmithing, a strange need for the things you shoot to blow up, questionable business practices, and so on go right ahead. You're the one with the box dude. |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 18, 2012 20:08:29 GMT -6
I think alan probst does a decent job on trapping. While mostly basic teachings ,it is a decent show. This gun show I have No idea on as I never watched it. Most states have magazine laws for deer hunting, but I have no problem with coyote hunting and using an AR with high capacity mags as it saves you time on reloading doesn't make one a bad shot. In fact many sniper rifles come with 10 rd mags on a Bolt action, mag capacity has little to do with effective range or marksmen ship. States decide how many rds is too much, but when comparing 5 -10 or 10 to 15 rds I find that to lack any real merit more just a feel good number by bureaucrats is all. Yeh 10 is the right number but if you buy a 40 or 357 sig in many other states you are allowed those extra 2 rds |
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 18, 2012 22:42:40 GMT -6
Whose business should it be how many rounds I choose to have in my magazine?
Dude. lol
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Post by FWS on Dec 19, 2012 1:41:05 GMT -6
Depends upon the laws regarding magazine capacity for hunting, if there's a limit then it's the states business. If there is no restriction it's your business but try not to be too offended when asked why your marksmanship skills are so poor that you need a 30 round magazine on a deer hunt. Otherwise, the regulation of a maximum of 3 rounds in a pump or semi auto shotgun for waterfowl is a pretty good regulation. Given the propensities of some.............................. |
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Post by FWS on Dec 19, 2012 1:52:43 GMT -6
But if you're firing multiple follow up shots at the same animal or two the likelihood is your skills are indeed lacking.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 19, 2012 6:01:09 GMT -6
Not for one or two critters FWS and not just for a stand or two in a day.
Also the "plug" rule and many others goes away for snow goose hunting in the spring. OK for the fall but the spring "clean out" different rules.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 19, 2012 6:17:03 GMT -6
Maybe I need a few extra rounds in case I run into some pot farmers. Or maybe I just feel like popping off 30 rounds for the hell of it after I get my deer.
Who are you or anyone else to tell me I can't? If we go with your line of thought maybe we should just mandate single shot weapons?
I think the plug rule ought to go away, there is already a law in place for limits. Why does it matter whether you have a plug or not if you shoot too many? It is just another unecessary layer.
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Post by Jarhead620 on Dec 19, 2012 7:40:43 GMT -6
The reason for plugged shotguns limiting the capacity to three shells for waterfowl and other game is to cut down on irresponsible sky-busting which results in an increase in wounded and lost birds. As far as I'm concerned, it's a good regulation and it should apply to spring snow goose hunting as well. How effective are the fourth and fifth shots in any hunting situation? I've participated in and observed enough hunts involving multiple thousands of waterfowl to settle this question for me.
Larry
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 19, 2012 10:48:59 GMT -6
c1972, I don't know how it is where you are but there is a measured risk on many public lands in the West about running into pot farmers. Some are illegals, and some are armed. It's reality.
Yeah I can hunt deer with a rifle and a big clip, why not? How many is too many? 4 rounds, 6 rounds? 10, 20?
Larry, I shoot a duck every other year or so, it's not about sky busting in my eyes, I suspect the 4th and 5th shots might be more effective if delivered a couple of seconds faster than if a guy has to dig them out of his vest and reload.
I don't think plugs were put in place because of sky busting, I always heard it was to stop duck and goose "drags" where as much firepower as possible was put into a massed concentration of waterfowl on the ground in an effort to slaughter hundreds at a time.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 19, 2012 18:48:40 GMT -6
Limiting a shotgun to 3 shot does nothing for sky busting LOL. I have seen plenty of guys who can't get them low enough to take the sky buster shots doesn't really matter 3 or 6 if your apt to take long range questionable shots 3 or 6 doesn't matter to them type of people. They just reload for the next high flying group........
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 19, 2012 21:18:00 GMT -6
If you subscribe to the sky busting theory then maybe we should limit 12 gauge rounds?
20 gauge or less. That ought to stop it.
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Post by Jarhead620 on Dec 19, 2012 22:59:09 GMT -6
If you subscribe to the sky busting theory then maybe we should limit 12 gauge rounds? 20 gauge or less. That ought to stop it. No, that would just result in more cripples. TC is right though, the hunter that has no idea of the effective range of his shotgun can skybust with or without a plug in his gun. However, those that try to get off more than three shots at fleeing game are going to cripple more than is acceptable. Larry |
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 20, 2012 8:27:25 GMT -6
I was just making the point that you can pass laws till the cows come home and people will do what people do.
I think the plug rule is nonsense. Another example of people feeling like they have to make laws.
It has been in effect for so long that it has become part of the custom and culture and no one questions it anymore.
The accumulation of laws equals a limit on freedom which will take us down eventually if we don't start going the other way. It's bigger than goose hunting.
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