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Post by FWS on Nov 22, 2012 0:45:31 GMT -6
No, you are not.
They all have to operate under the same regulations, since they are after all Federal regulations and it is Federal lands.
I spent way too much time in Wash D.C. in the 90's working with ranchers, miners, private property owners, and many other Federal lands users to buy into your utter BS. They were from red states and blue states, ID, WY, CA, OR, AZ, pretty much every state in the union, even Hawaii.
You are seriously kidding yourself here if you think a district ranger can overrule what is Federal law.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 22, 2012 6:35:43 GMT -6
Ok FWS................................
Believe what you wish.....................
Bottom line coyote hunts will continue and so will hunting coyotes on federal lands. Contest or not. I think you need to look at a map to see how BLM lands sit in some states.
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Post by trappnman on Nov 22, 2012 8:23:16 GMT -6
TC- I love the sign, and stopped on my way to sturgus many years ago the first year it was up to take a pic of the sign, and have had it hanging in the shed ever since. Kudos to those responsible.
but thats not the issue-
first of all, some of you have misinformation about FWS- and let me assure you, he is one of us through and through. As a commercial fisherman, he was on the forefront in dealing with the politics of such on state, federal and international levels. He is a lifelong hunter, trapper and fisherman and probably eats more wild game in a week, than most of use do in a year.
Hes not the enemy. enough said about that.
what he is saying on this, is the LAW is on the books. A FEDERAL law- and in wildlife and these type of matters, FEDERAL law supercedes STATE law.
It hasn't been inforced in thep ast on many things, but it has indeed been enforced o nother things.
antis brought this to the courts- the law, unfortunately is on their side.
that debate is over-
so lets not debate can or will it happen- it has. If a group in SD sue to stop stuff like that contest, the courts have NO recourse but to agree
Sad situation, but there it is.............
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Post by FWS on Nov 22, 2012 10:48:03 GMT -6
It's not about 'belief' TC, the laws are what they are and asTrappnman correctly points out, as I have previously, the antis can take legal recourse to force the application of Federal regs. Even on permit for a coyote calling contest...............................
They do it ALL the time on issue after issue if you've never noticed.
The idea that "We're a Red State so we can opt out of Federal regulations" is ridiculously stupid at best.
Some fool claiming otherwise ? Guaranteed I've put more time and money into fighting the antis than anyone who'd make a claim like that.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 22, 2012 20:50:00 GMT -6
Of course the federal law states you need a permit to hold an event on public ground all fine and well, but if I'm in a contest in Pierre and drive to fed ground say 80 miles west how is that law inforceable to any degree?
I can be calling coyotes on fed ground, the group is not on fed ground I am, as a recreational caller. I don't loose that statis until I'm paid something. I'm not sponsored or making a profit besides the fur and if there going to use fur as a means to state such good luck.
Guided hunting or holding the contest is a far different deal. That is a guranteed pay deal, me I'm not. I'm out calling coyotes.
The red state was in jest as I have seen your postings and distain for those red states and hence to fathem why you live in the largest blue state in the nation, where more crazy things take place there, than anywhere I can think of. More power to you, living there and dealing with it all. Me no way in heck could I live in a state that lacks so much common sense, never in a million years. That is my opinion and that of many others I know.
To me NM is not much different common sense is lost on issues like this, why? Because they are an issue, in many other states these aren't an issue and may never become such due to the make up and mind set of the people living there.
Tman the sign was not to state because of it we can superseed federal law, but gives insight to the mindset of the people.
Many laws ARE enforceable, doesn't mean ALL get enforced to the same degree at all.
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Post by FWS on Nov 22, 2012 21:19:07 GMT -6
How is it not if they're looking for exactly that, would you advocate lying to a Federal investigator who asked you where you shot those coyotes ?
Bear in mind that lying to a Federal investigator is itself a crime, a Federal felony in fact. If convicted of that you'd never own another firearm or hunt anything ever again.
And then consider that you now live in MO, if you took those coyotes on Federal land in SD under a contest that had no permit allowing such and took the pelts back to MO you would then be guilty of a Lacey Act violation.
Have you not considered that HSUS and Co. have their own investigators, as many in agriculture have unfortunately discovered.
You and everyone else thinking along the same lines need to really think this through.
And you can legally do that. But.............. If you're doing it as a registered contestant in a calling contest you better ask more questions of the sponsor and get it verified in writing that it is legal.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 24, 2012 7:58:07 GMT -6
FWS YOU took this to assume I would lie? I never stated such.
I did state my grounds for being labeled a recreational caller and legally hunt just like any other person could.
I also feel this land manager is an anti all the way and the contest went off without a hitch, both the land manager and the anti's never showed up at the gun shop. Plenty of private lands to hunt, but grey area is there.
HSUS in the middle of the SD prairie looking for coyote hunters when it is 15 degrees outside? LOL. I know about HSUS and their inspectors and I also know a guy that had a run in with one of those so called inspectors, let's just say the HSUS rep never bothered him anymore, after a phone call to his attorney and that attorney contacting the HSUS inspector. Trying to demand access to private grounds LOL.
Long live the coyote contest's across the USA!
Hoping (common sense) comes back to many of those across this nation at some point!
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