New Video - Make It Quick

[DownWind Outdoors]

This is definitely a new record for us. We were running late and battling a setting sun, so we needed to call in a coyote quick if we wanted to get it on film. Quick it was!

[stickbowhntr]

You guys always got some good footage, thanks

[DownWind Outdoors]

Thanks for watching!

[musher]

Shotgun range!

Great bipod info. Thanks.

[lb]

I don't want you boys to think this is negative. This is a couple suggestions, observations.

First, I don't know the caliber of the rifle, or where the coyote was hit, but he jumped around way too much. You probably need a little more gun because a fussing coyote is a huge distraction and you want him down and dead and able to deal with a second animal.

Okay, you called the coyote but, you are blowing on that call incorrectly. A rabbit has very small lung capacity and they cannot scream for very long. It's better to use short blasts, and a lot of them rather than long drawn out notes. It's kinda like you might hyperventilate, quick breath and short blast, rapid fire.

I thought the information about the bipod was very good, that tilt feature is very important. Good quality video, held my attention. Good job. LB

[DownWind Outdoors]

Mar 3, 2012 21:07:21 GMT -6 lb said:

I don't want you boys to think this is negative. This is a couple suggestions, observations.

First, I don't know the caliber of the rifle, or where the coyote was hit, but he jumped around way too much. You probably need a little more gun because a fussing coyote is a huge distraction and you want him down and dead and able to deal with a second animal.

Okay, you called the coyote but, you are blowing on that call incorrectly. A rabbit has very small lung capacity and they cannot scream for very long. It's better to use short blasts, and a lot of them rather than long drawn out notes. It's kinda like you might hyperventilate, quick breath and short blast, rapid fire.

I thought the information about the bipod was very good, that tilt feature is very important. Good quality video, held my attention. Good job. LB

I don't mean come off negative, but simply want to share our point of view on these topics coming from years of experience (or experimenting) and reasonable success in an area where few have had such luck.

This coyote took a shot to the chest from a .22-250 caliber rifle. It's possibly the first coyote out of dozens taken in this manner that wasn't completely flattened. This occurred (most likely) because the dog was slightly quartering and the passing bullet missed the spine on the back side and just took out all vitals in front. If you hunt enough, everyone eventually puts a great shot on a coyote that just doesn't drop instantly. They're amazingly tough and can run on pure adrenaline, despite not having a heart or lungs left intact. Ideally this doesn't occur for the reasons you describe, but it happens and they're no less dead.

As far calling, we try a variety of different styles, volumes, and patterns. Sometimes depending on the conditions, the setup, or just experimenting. The name of the game is experimenting and seeing what works best for your conditions / mixing it up. I do not think Jerrod was "incorrect", as a coyote was called screaming in, in under a minute. If every hunter in the woods sounds like you suggest, or is more accurately "correct," and the coyotes are keen to this, they'd be more likely to come into our varied style- would they not? We hunt a highly pressured and educated pool of dogs. I would argue that "correct" is whatever works the best, but in the end I think its really just personal preference because of these factors

[lb]

Yes, I see. You very tactfully disagree.

The fact is, anybody can blow a hand call and have a coyote respond. I have seen a child honk on a call and have a coyote jump up and pay attention. That does not mean that the way to entice educated coyotes is to blow long drawn out notes. Sorry, it's incorrect, not personal preference.

I offer advice, in good faith and if you choose to blow it off, I am not offended, in the least. I want to point out, at the risk of being an old foggy, that I have been killing coyotes since well before you were born, and experience is valuable. I promise, everything you do has been handed to you for practically nothing. I used to operate a decoy with string and rubber bands. I used to haul a 8 track tape deck and an automotive battery before there was any electronic Foxpros, and I still make my own lights for night hunting because there is nothing on the market that is better.

You know, now everything is camo'ed but you wouldn't believe how difficult it was, back in the old days to find ANYTHING in camo, much less everything. I still don't need a flashlight that is hard to find, when I drop it.

We never had cameras like you are using, new hunters able to afford equipment that simply wasn't available, in the 60's. Hell, your eastern coyotes. You should thank us for driving some of them out of California, of you wouldn't ever have seen them until fairly recently. I'm not kidding. Who ever heard of coyotes in New York back when I started? Nobody, because there weren't any. And, here you are explaining (arguing) what's "correct" to me. Okay, okay, you are right, I'm just a crazy old man don't know what I'm talking about.

If that coyote fussed like he did, hit with a 22-250, Jarrod probably needs a better bullet, or it was a bad shot? No offense. LB

[DownWind Outdoors]

That's cool. I'm afraid we must agree to disagree and being from two entirely opposite sides of the country, i would expect to have a difference of opinion. My opinion is that calling has too many unknowns and variables for each environment, condition, coyote to determine and label something as right or wrong.

Sure, if a kid honks on his call backwards or whatever we can all agree he is using the call incorrectly in the traditional sense, but it continuously results in success, above and beyond all others- I would take a step back to re-examine what is defined as correct usage.

I still think its up to the beholder to experiment and see what works for their conditions. To each his own, in every sense

[lb]

Are you kidding me? Have you ever killed six on a stand, twelve in a day, and been at it for 48 years? I have earned the right to tell you when something is incorrect, or not and you are barely entitled to an opinion on the subject.

Never mind, bud. I'm just yanking your chain. Don't worry about it, K?

[spring]

Great job guys, being from NY wondered what ya thought about Dennis Kirk and his calling methods???

[trappnman]

let me interject -

I'm going to let it go- but I do see where lb is coming from on this-

For example. I was discussing a certain coyote habit with "someone' and He said Good God! you are drawing a conclusion from 50-100 call it 200 doing a certain thing- hes had the experience with 1000s- I can have my opinion, but it was wrong- it wasn't in the rhelm of opinion but that of a given.

lb belongs to an elite class of caller, and we are lucky to have him share his advice- as someone told me "I'm light years ahead of you, not putting you down at all, just stating the obvious"

downwindourdoors- leonard is meaning you no disrespect- but hes telling you givens as my coyote mentor tells me- things we conclude because they "work" aren't always what works best, or at a higher %.

I admire your enthusiam, and my freind you arel ight years ahead of me- and i enjoy your videos very much!

But listen to leonard- hes the O'G of the calling world.

[DownWind Outdoors]

Fellas, personally I don't even disagree with the suggested calling techniques. That is precisely my style I practice in the field. I just never considered telling others that don't call as I do, that they are wrong- for the reasons I mentioned. You make some good points on why this is in fact may be a case of right or wrong. And it actually goes hand-in-hand with what I've also been saying. Do what works best. Appreciate all perspectives and advice.

For Dennis Kirk, you're referring to the calling cassette tapes? My friend once had these years back, but personally I've never used the e-callers much. I can definitely see the advantage of ecallers when utilized correctly, but it's just never been the method of choice for us.

[spring]

I was wondering what your thoughts were on Dennis Kirk as a caller, if any.

[lb]

Thanks for the support, trappnman. I appreciate it.

I know my comments are out of line, don't know what got into me? I apologize if I have offended anybody. I was thinking that New York people, (in general) have a hell of a lot to learn. By experience or by listening to advice, but I went way overboard and they did not deserve the disrespect just because they don't really know a lot, to tell the truth.

Sometimes I try to interject some controversy, hoping to stir up a little interest; intentional, in this case but still not justified. I admire these men's enthusiasm, don't let me discourage you, and I don't think I did, for a minute.
Peace. LB

edit: Gerald Stewart is a friend of mine and I "believe" he told me that he testified at trial and Dennis Kirk was convicted of stealing Johnny Stewart sounds. I'm not absolutely positive, maybe somebody else heard about it?