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Post by lb on May 18, 2011 12:11:23 GMT -6
Crikey, Kemo sabe, nobody got a new gun or something? Oh yeah, I did! 22/243 Middlested. Should be just the ticket for moose. Good hunting. LB
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 18, 2011 14:52:49 GMT -6
LB I have been using Hornady brass in my newly aquired .243 Savage and I like it alot. Good brass and shoots darn well. Not having ever owned an accu trigger gun takes some getting used to but, gives a guy alot of shot confidance when you pull back that first stage and set the cross hairs and the gun goes bang. Very impressed with this rifle and load combo on coyotes.
What bullet are you going to use in that barrel burner 22/243 LOL. The problem I have had with these wildcats like yours and the 22/6mm is the fact very few darn good coyote bullets out there in a 22 cal offering and then pushing that speed and hitting bone, so what say you on bullet choice for that hot rod?
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Post by lb on May 18, 2011 16:28:41 GMT -6
Well, I sent off to have the Wilson seating die modified, don't know when?
As far as loads, I am sure that the 55Nosler Ballistic tip will work fine, but I intend to try a box of 62 Berger MEF's first with a lot of H414.
I know about the barrel burner situation. This is a used gun that belonged to a deceased gentleman and has had a documented history, less than 300 rounds through it and he was using IMR4831 so I really don't think it was a 300 round flamethrower. We shall see?
It came with two barrels though. 700 action in a McMillan Classic stock, pillar bedded by Dan Dowling in CO. The other barrel is chambered 22-250 Ackley, also with less than 300 rounds. 400 fireformed cases and a Jewel trigger, to boot.
I expect very decent minute of coyote accuracy and the twist is 1 in 14" so that should limit the throat erosion, somewhat. I have records showing velocities around 4 grand with the 55 and 4200 with a 40 gr VMax. But, I much prefer a heavier bullet, in case of accidental bone at extended range.
We are waiting patiently. Thus far. LB
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Post by stickbowhntr on May 18, 2011 18:01:26 GMT -6
Do you really think you need the MEF's? I like the performance in std swift [shot hot] of the std tip I think that maybe the fast vels you will get may make the MEFS even more trouble with shoulders than you want. Keep us posted. Sounds like you on right track with the Wilson stuff too. Are you getting sizing or seating or both done?
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Post by stickbowhntr on May 18, 2011 18:03:01 GMT -6
Opps - see that now, So How do you size them? What are you using? I hope a bushing die to get the most out of the design...maybe -.004" bushing?
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Post by lb on May 18, 2011 23:46:29 GMT -6
Yeah, came with two Redding full length bushing dies but the seating dies weren't with it, for some reason. I already have a Wilson seating die for the 22-250AI. I have a box of the 62 MEF's on hand, not that I "need it" but what the hell? Both barrels have a tight neck, brass is trimmed to match. Should be a lifetime supply of brass, 250 for the Middlested and 150 for the Ackley.
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Post by stickbowhntr on May 19, 2011 10:50:26 GMT -6
Didnt mean negative in the NEED area...just they open a lot faster and I doubt you want that , std stuff probably open fast enough at those speeds.How tight a neck are they? What is a loaded round for it go? [Dia]
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Post by lb on May 19, 2011 13:48:04 GMT -6
,246" marked on both barrels and the necks on the brass are turned to ten thou.
As far as a settled bullet, this is way too soon, but if I stay with what the man was using, the 55Vmax, that will scramble their brains well enough. There is enough to choose from, I'm not worried. I have never used the MEF Berger, somebody gave me a box but I was never curious enough to actually load them. I have always used the target HP. Sometimes bullets don't perform on tissue the way you expect. LB
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Post by stickbowhntr on May 19, 2011 16:35:44 GMT -6
With .001" clearence you'll need to be very carefull to keep any trash/dirt off the necks. If you have bushings .242 I'd try them first and see if snug enough.Do you have neck turner to keep the necks at .010? Maybe shoul dget one ..that brass will flow a little
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Post by monstertom on May 20, 2011 19:49:32 GMT -6
I built a Middlested in 1992 350 rounds and throat was gone, set it back 1 1/2". got 300 more. Built a 6mm International (longneck 6x250) on the action still flopping coyotes with it.
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Post by lb on May 21, 2011 10:00:25 GMT -6
Yeah, that's a concern anytime you buy a used rifle without the assistance of a bore scope. The majority of the rounds fired were fireforming, not normally a super hot load. Judging by the primers when I sized the cases, they weren't flattened at all. Judging by repriming, the pockets were very tight, maybe a couple went in a little too easy, but acceptable, in my experience.
If all the accuracy is washed out in this case, I can do as you did, but I still have a wait and see attitude. Sometimes, washing out a barrel is harder to do than you think, but I went into this with my eyes open and the price was right.
You know, I have been using a little 6mm Model 600, that lost it's best accuracy 25 years ago, took it to Africa and didn't shoot anything with the 300 I also brought. For it's purpose, three rounds inside an inch and a quarter is adequate, and last October, my youngest grandson shot his first coyote with it. I have been thinking of rebarreling that little gun for at least 25 years, I'm sure it needs it, but in the meantime, it also still works.
I don't think certain cartridges are barrel burners unless the handloader is a speed freak. I used a 220 Swift almost exclusively on coyotes and bobcats for 15 years. No, it wasn't a quarter incher, never was, but I still have it, as a loaner and it is still killing coyotes.
This rig is not intended for the bench but I will be a little disappointed if I don't get half inch groups. We shall see. Now, where's that seating die? LB
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 21, 2011 10:21:40 GMT -6
Hey LB here is a 4 shot group from that new savage the flyer was I'm sure me and the accu trigger learning about one another this is 100 yrd group with 40 rounds down that barrel. Savage does a great job on there barrels for sure. A dream to clean and very good for a factory rifle, love the .243 as a coyote round!
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Post by stickbowhntr on May 21, 2011 13:27:34 GMT -6
Lb - You just tryn to get me to go shoot that new swift aren't ya??? L.O.L....both you guys got me itchn to shoot now.
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Post by decoy on May 28, 2011 10:08:35 GMT -6
1st off...hopefully lb was kidd'n about moose
2nd off..Bill, you know what you can do with that swift. It needs a new home buddy :-)
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Post by lb on May 28, 2011 22:55:41 GMT -6
Yes, kidding. But, we know a carefully placed headshot can drop a large animal, and in a couple cases I know of, like struck by lightning.
I just got the seating die back today. LB
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Post by lb on Jun 20, 2011 15:54:19 GMT -6
I had an appointment at USO for the purpose of selecting and mounting rings and bases. They are very friendly and gave me what I thought was approximating VIP treatment. I had two assigned to me, Chris, (don't remember his last name) and Arnold Vonbargen, who told me that he was one of the owners.
They selected the 20° base because of all the built in internal adjustment with this particular scope model and the extra low rings, both of which appear to be virtually "bulletproof".
There was nothing approaching a rush, no hurry at all, they threw in a free tee shirt and scope caps, and a business card, to call them about any problems.
Additionally, the female I had set up the appointment with made an appearance, her name is Becky and introduced herself and said she just wanted to say hi, since she was my contact in the order department, and we had talked on the phone 3 or 4 times in the past month.
I could not have been more impressed with my treatment. It was first class, in my opinion.
Things are coming together. El Bee
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Post by barewire on Sept 5, 2011 15:15:33 GMT -6
Yes I to am getting ready for this up coming fur season. I've only had this Savage with the accutrigger 3 months and I sure like it. I bought a Shaw barrel for it in a 1and 12 twist 26" and tapered to .7000. Every one is giving me a hard time about the weight buy I don't plan on packing it that far. I'm happy with the groups. I'm sure the gun will shoot better than I can but when I'm having an off day it will hold a 1" group and on days that I do better a 1/2" group. As I tweak the loads i hope to do better. This is just with the first load I tried. In my 223 I like the varmint night mares for a fur bullet. I push it 3200 ft.per.sec. with one hold accuracy. It looks like maybe coyotes will be worth skinning this year so I don't want to much damage.
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Post by lb on Sept 8, 2011 23:33:19 GMT -6
I'm ready to go. With this rig, I am not doing five shot groups in the interest of extending barrel life. Best thus far is .312" which is good enough. I installed a Tubbs speed lock firing pin assembly, but don't really know why, or if it helps, at all? IMR4831 is best, thus far, accuracy and speed. I get about 3725fps with a 62 grain Berger. I wanted more but I'm not pushing it. When the primers start looking a little too flat, I'm done. I don't hunt with hot loads, it's not worth it.
I made a couple stands last weekend in 118° temperatures. Not surprised, I didn't see anything, but I would have liked to bloody the thing. LB
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Post by lb on Sept 13, 2011 21:53:02 GMT -6
I started leafing through targets this morning. I was wrong, in the previous post. I found two hovering around ¼" and one that measured .141". And, I still have not reached a limit with H4831. I suspect that powder could be the one? It's been (like) three years since I needed to work up a load for anything. Once I settle on a bullet, primer and powder, I stick with it until I run out of a component. I don't find any pleasure, punching paper. For instance, I'm still using the exact same load in my 300WinMag since 1971 or 2? My 22-250AI is the same load for at least 8 years. Find what works and leave it alone. I have seen several friends bang away on the bench until the accuracy starts to fall off....and wonder why? One friend, in particular, wins benchrest matches and is a pitiful shot on game. Well, that's a different reason, but you can't bang away with a performance number the same as a 22PPC. Right?
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Post by Furhvstr on Sept 15, 2011 6:40:49 GMT -6
LB- I haven't read everything here but it sounds like you just about have that gun dialed. I am off the week of Oct 7 thru the 13th if you want to come up and look for a coyote.
ML
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