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Post by thrstyunderwater on Apr 20, 2011 14:25:04 GMT -6
I'm on trapperman quite a bit so you may have some preconceived notions about me.
If you don't then maybe that's good.
For those that don't know me I'm a graduate student studying coyotes in central Nevada. I'll be trapping and collaring 40 coyotes this summer.
Anyone that has any advice on how to snap some summer coyotes I'd like to hear your advice, mainly on sets and baits/lures/urine for summer months.
Any recommendations on finding dens or coyotes while they have a smaller home range would be great too.
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Post by blackhammer on Apr 20, 2011 14:47:50 GMT -6
Glad to have you aboard buddy.I've met you at a couple conventions.I enjoyed your stories of Hawaii and know you like to drink a PBR now and then.There should be a few guys on here than can clue you in on summer coyotes.
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Post by robertw on Apr 20, 2011 17:53:24 GMT -6
Listen to Bob.
I wouldn't do it for that price.
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Post by FWS on Apr 20, 2011 18:05:55 GMT -6
Exactly, nobody has better credentials on live capture of canids in the summer. He's a grad student so PBR is about all he can afford.  |
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Post by thrstyunderwater on Apr 21, 2011 9:58:14 GMT -6
serious now, for $150 a coyote I`ll come out and catch your 40 coyotes in a week, all healthy, vaccinated wormed, sound feet and legs all around. it will cost you more than that to do it yourself. run it by the boss men. if that is out of your range and you insist on doing it yourself with no prior experience, you should buy my fox and more dvd, 4 hrs of the ins and outs of live trapping releasable fox and coyotes in hot weather, and more. even touches on denning. it`s not really a topic anyone can cover decently on a trapping thread. better you watch the dvd then come up with some pointed questions. act fast, denning time is approaching, pups on the ground already. That is a good deal for 6 grand. No offense I don't think you could get 40 in a week. That's just due to the terrain and how far apart my study sites are. I'm up against a lot but I can't say I have absolutely no experience. I'll buy your DVD and give it a go. I appreciate the advice and look forward to more. |
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Post by thrstyunderwater on Apr 21, 2011 10:07:12 GMT -6
Bob where do you buy your DVD? I didn't see where MTP had it and I normally order from them.
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Post by SteveCraig on Apr 21, 2011 21:53:52 GMT -6
"No offense I don't think you could get 40 in a week"
LOL!!!!
You obviously dont know him very well!
I do know this......you wont be able to keep up with him!
Buy his video, study it, and then hire him. It will be like money in the bank.....for both of you.
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Post by claytoncarr on Apr 22, 2011 6:14:11 GMT -6
Welcome to the board thirsty. Looks like your getting the good ole boy welcome. "Come on in pup, you don't know crap, have a seat and learn something." LOL
I enjoyed your hog snaring exploits in Hawaii and your character building in Texas. Don't get run off and you will learn somethings here. We used to have lots of posts that taught guys alot about being a trapper. That changed over two years ago. It's a watered down version now. Hell it will be a miracle if this post lasts.
Read and learn, never let anyone near your line and you'll be fine.
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Post by blackhammer on Apr 22, 2011 7:24:21 GMT -6
Thirsty,you may find some information in the archives.I noticed there was thread or two on the topic.
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Post by robertw on Apr 22, 2011 7:59:41 GMT -6
Personally I think Bob mis-spoke, I think he has an alternative motive and is just looking for an excuse to visit his daughter if made the trip to do this job.
With current costs, 6 grand is dirst cheap if you figured his expences and then time spent doing the job.
How many of you guys honestly think you can catch 40 head of coyotes in 7 days this time of year spread out over an area like Thirsty is describing and doing it with usable feet to the coyotes??
Look at the capture history of the Coyote Trapping contest (7 day event) as an example. In a pup rich environment (in september) with two man teams competing.....this has only been done (or exceeded) by just a couple of teams (only 2 that I know of) over the last 22 years (with pups counted as adults that you don't have this time of year!).
The average "good" trapper would take 6 weeks to accomplish this 40 head of adult coyotes goal, not counting the bad feet issue (this isn't November or December!).
I'm better than "good" at this and wouldn't do it for $6 grand!
"IF" you think this is "the good ole boy welcome".......you have NEVER done this type of work!
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Post by blackhammer on Apr 22, 2011 8:05:26 GMT -6
He's doing this for his grad student work.I don't believe he asked about the cost or indicated he was trying to hire for someone to do it.I believe he just wanted some advice.
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Post by robertw on Apr 22, 2011 8:06:58 GMT -6
Do you know of a cheaper way to get it done or a better chance to get this quality of education doing it?
As for Bob being a "good ole boy".....well what ever...
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Post by claytoncarr on Apr 22, 2011 8:36:42 GMT -6
Do you know of a cheaper way to get it done or a better chance to get this quality of education doing it? As for Bob being a "good ole boy".....well what ever... Whatever , whatever. Nobody is questioning you or Bob's ability. I was simply laying it out for the guy. I don't disagree with what was said by anyone. Thirsty has posted some cool stuff on other forums. Maybe you and Bob have snared hogs in the Hawaiian Islands and just haven't mentioned it. But dude's got some skills and the drive to get it done. |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 22, 2011 9:04:48 GMT -6
Robert first off we don'tknow the size of this study area, we just know it to have some size, secondly it would depend on the coyote population and the area being studied as well. What factors took place before the attempted study? These all will determine the outcome of such study. When they get set on dens they don't have near the mobilty so if there aren;t 40 in the quadrant going to be hard to take 40 correct?
Not saying there isn't could be 80 coyotes, I don't know the population dynamics or the study area but things one must consider for sure. I'm this grad student has an idea of population size.
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Post by thrstyunderwater on Apr 22, 2011 9:11:19 GMT -6
I don't want to start a pissing contest. I'm going to order Bob's DVD and look forward to watching it multiple times as well as having my 3 technicians watch it multiple times.
I have no summer coyote experience, never caught a summer coyote. What I have done is teach myself how to water trap and land trap in Missouri, catch feral cats in Hawaii (has it's own weird challenges but not that hard), and catch/snare feral pigs in Hawaii.
So though I've never caught a summer coyote I have taught myself to do a few other types of trapping. One thing I've learned is to look to forums just like this for advice to shorten the learning curve.
From May 9-August 15 I'll be taking about 10 days off total. Every other day will be spend checking/running traps. If I can't finish by August I won't take classes in the fall and will trap into September, and then October.
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Post by spring on Apr 22, 2011 9:20:05 GMT -6
You will do just fine...if ya have any issues ask that tc39 for help!!!
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Post by Wright Brothers on Apr 22, 2011 9:46:44 GMT -6
Heck hire 1080, he does 40 in a day and a half.
I know I know, go lay down WB lol.
We might get cranky, but it's not a full time cranky. Good stories and learning on this site. If ya feel like sharing the Hawaiian stuff we're all ears. Have a couple buddies that were stationed there. Pretty sure one is a member here.
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Post by thrstyunderwater on Apr 22, 2011 11:08:12 GMT -6
It'll be 2 trucks instead of 4, 1 truck and just me and one technician for most of the summer. I'm not going to say what they're being paid but it's not a lot.
I have all other sorts of stuff to do, like small mammal trapping, tracking coyotes, counting mule deer, doing coyote scat transects and passive tracking indexes, vegetation plots, ect ect ect.
I have no doubt that you could catch coyotes faster than me Bob but I have to do this myself, I don't have the money to hire you.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 22, 2011 11:50:14 GMT -6
what specialized gear? I collared all of mine without any special gear- and the foot quality, as noted in the later postings, was to the point where they could not tell which foot was the foot in the trap.
much of what bob is saying is true- but you do NOT need specialzed equipment.
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Post by rln on Apr 22, 2011 13:33:58 GMT -6
Here are my 2 cents, in conjuction with the foot traps use 3/32 1x19 cable snares with a extremely relaxing lock, with little to no entanglement. And by little I mean a couple of little weeds maybe.
I believe You will have more luck in the summer catching numbers with this snare in travel ways. and if you keep em away from entanglement no damage or very little
Bob can advise more on snaring and foot traps I am sure. Listen to bob though , those coyotes will expire in a hurry, run the traps and snares while still cool and dark.
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