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Post by jax on Jan 31, 2011 21:11:30 GMT -6
Whats the best trap for coyotes to reduce foot damage? i sell them live and my sterlings are kinda rough.and i catch non targets sometimes. seems the ones i catch in the open fight the trap harder. any advice?
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Post by Hornhunter on Feb 1, 2011 8:22:09 GMT -6
For what it worth i'd recommend any of the #3 traps that have thick lamination top and bottom of the jaws and a have an offset between the jaws. I say 3's because that is what i've used for a number of years, but lately due to the lynx in our areas we're mandated by law to use a much smaller jaw spread. We tried the MB 550 and like them very much. i don't remember any coyotes foot in a trap that i'd of had questions about showing except for one, and that one in a staked trap had been harassed by a couple of moose I made it a point to take some pictures of the feet in the traps this past fall.   |
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Post by Bob Jameson on Feb 1, 2011 9:01:48 GMT -6
I dont know any serious live market trapper that uses a 4 coil trap for live market work.Conners add on springs if really needed for some larger jawed traps but in most cases that isnt needed with good pattern covering techniques.This topic has been hashed over and over.Rubber padded traps will give you the best and most consistent results, that combined with a short check time and efficient running.
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Post by cowhorn on Feb 1, 2011 9:12:11 GMT -6
What Bob said is dead on.Been doin just that for quite some time and short ck will help you alot.
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Post by jax on Feb 1, 2011 10:31:42 GMT -6
thanks alot for the picks. yall are right on the short checks for sure. yet thats hard 4 me i got 2 kids and im by myself. i check everyday just not as early as i like. i ordered me a doz mb550s.what do you all recomend for rubber jaw as far as being able to change the rubber easy?
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Post by cowhorn on Feb 1, 2011 10:51:40 GMT -6
Yep I know how it is with kids,got 3 myself.I start early to be back home well before daybreak.As far as preference try several to see how you like,rubbers are not much to change anyway.2coil works fine for me as I have right many fox around too.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 1, 2011 10:52:00 GMT -6
you might also look at 2 coiled 1.75s.
I know beav useds thme in s carolina for the live market- and when I was collaring, the researchers were impressed with the lack of foot damage and even included such a report in the final presentation
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jax
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Post by jax on Feb 1, 2011 11:08:40 GMT -6
thanks again wish id have known bout this place sooner . it would have saved me alot of trial and error..lol i didnt even know you could sell them live tii a warden seen me with a truck load id skinned and was going to bury .. he hooked me up with some guys. 75 sure beats 20 to 35 for the hides alot less work.
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Post by seldom on Feb 1, 2011 13:37:27 GMT -6
For what it worth i'd recommend any of the #3 traps that have thick lamination top and bottom of the jaws and a have an offset between the jaws.
I say 3's because that is what i've used for a number of years, but lately due to the lynx in our areas we're mandated by law to use a much smaller jaw spread. We tried the MB 550 and like them very much. i don't remember any coyotes foot in a trap that i'd of had questions about showing except for one, and that one in a staked trap had been harassed by a couple of moose
I made it a point to take some pictures of the feet in the traps this past fall. Interestingly Horn, I had the same thoughts this year as well. This is using a #2 OS Bridger, 4-coiled with 3/16" inside/outside lams on a 24hr check.    |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 1, 2011 13:57:58 GMT -6
if you want great rubber jaws to add to offset traps like bridger 2 or 3 JC Conners makes some real dandys for sure!
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Post by trapperchick on Feb 1, 2011 15:03:34 GMT -6
I love the MB550s. My coyotes don't have a lot of foot damage. I have not noticed much damage from my KB 5.5s either.
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Post by snakebit on Feb 1, 2011 16:57:45 GMT -6
Hello guys havent been around much but would like to comment, I agree with Bob on this one the mb 55o's 2 coiled I have used a lot and do like the trap but still had problems with frost bite and swelling , I have better results with the soft catch.
Hornhunter that 1st pic looks like a 650 , great ttrap that i still use for depredation work but not for any live trapping.
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Post by coyoteman37 on Feb 1, 2011 17:00:14 GMT -6
You will find that rubber jaws are a joke they are actually worse. If you think about it the rubber will wrap around the foot or leg depending on how its caught it will then slow the circulation. when dipping into the colder weather you will get frozen feet. all you really need is a offset jaw inside and outside lamination, a good solid baseplate short chain. I carry dex, and cut heal . bob shoots the same thing but he uses rubber jaws. I supported a family doing this I know. I have used bridgers but the past 4or 5 years been useing the #3 montana. I get less dammage with this set up than anything I have ever used period. when the rubber gets ripped the plate that holds the rubber in place,will cut the foot like a saw blade. with rubber jaw you will have to replace them with a all steel jaw your trap will not have to have repairs and still work for deprdation work durring the off season  |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 1, 2011 17:05:47 GMT -6
coyoteman have you tried JC Conners pads and metal braces on offset bridgers? Just wondering not a live markey guy at all.
Glad to hear laminated traps served you well in the live market business though!
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Post by coyoteman37 on Feb 1, 2011 17:39:34 GMT -6
I have used those on some bridger and even the montanas I have just learned through trial and error rubber jaws are just a gimmick to make some people feel they are the lesser evil.  why give the anties one more choice for them to make for us. |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 1, 2011 17:51:42 GMT -6
well I use jake traps and I have found the pads to be far superior to any other offerred on the market! The good thing with a jake trap is you can use them as a padded trap or take them off and you have a nice 1/4" offset jaw with nice thickeness to them. Thinking a guy that might trap different states would be a real benefit. Padded or un padded with a little work of taking them off.
Theanti's will have a tough time with the BMP data as it shows clearly that offsets,lamination can be as good and better than a padded trap, I like JC's approach to offering a well built trap that can work about anywhere, due to removal pads and jaw size and design.
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Post by Stef on Feb 1, 2011 18:19:14 GMT -6
When its cold, I mean cold... offset or not, rubber or not or laminated or not, footsnare or not all we'll get is frozen foot.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Feb 1, 2011 18:25:31 GMT -6
thats a fact stef.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 1, 2011 20:22:00 GMT -6
who would be trying to live trap in very cold weather to begin with?
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Post by Hornhunter on Feb 1, 2011 23:50:25 GMT -6
I wasn't going to mention that, I have a few big rubber jawed traps and That's what I've found. More damage. Not like using a straight unlaminated with no offset, but damage as far as cutting off the circulation.
But looking at my pictures It's hard to see how any blood flow gets through. What i should do is take a picture of both feet after side by side. Sometimes you see swelling, sometimes It's hard to tell what foot had the trap on it.
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