getting the copper out ??

[RiverRat]

Whats your go to product ?

[lb]

I use a mixture of Hoppes copper and Kroil, but have never had a barrel that fouled that badly, nor have I delayed cleaning past 30-50 rounds. Some people that do a lot of position shooting swear by Sweets 7.62, and some people warn against the ammonia ingredient causing microscopic damage. A good bore brush is important and anything aggressive enough to deal with the copper fouling will also attack the bore brush so you should buy them by the dozen, rather than the "each".

[Chamacat]

Yep...I use Sweets 7.62...after using Shooter's choice cleaner..I use Sweet's and it's amazing how much copper fouling is still left in a barrel after using Shooter's Choice...Even on the label of Sweet's it says anly allow for like 10 minutes in barrell or so..so after Sweet's I use the Shooter's choice as a follow up then when one loks down the barrell with a bore light it looks like a mirror.....Carl

[trappincoyotes39]

I use bore techs eliminator best there is for copper plus No stink and not harsh!!!! I don;t worry about copper if barrel is broken in well as much as carbon. Many cleaner say they remove carbon but they don't. Use JB bore paste and see what really removing carbon is all about!!!

These cleaners are great for rifles. I learned these cleaning methods from BR shooters.

[RiverRat]

I have allways used an old homemade mix thought Id try some different products to see what I am missing.

[lb]

I also clean like a benchrester. I use two rods, one with a bore brush and the other with a jag.

First, I start with a patch soaked in solvent, followed by a dry patch.

Then I run the bore brush twenty strokes, that has been soaked in solvent.

Next, I switch rods and run a wet patch through the bore, maybe two?

Then, I run 2/3 successive dry patches, and evaluate the patches coming out the muzzle.

If I don't like it, I start over.

There's more to it, but that's the basics.

Good hunting. LB

edit: be sure to wipe the muzzle clean after every step

[JakeLeg]

I too started using Bore techs eliminator,and have used JBs paste for years. Works for me

[JWarren]

'wipe out', its spray foam, fill the bore with foam, set the gun down for 20 minutes, come back and run patches, I don't even use a bore brush with it

[trappincoyotes39]

Jwarren, I had a guy that used that product to but you should have seen the carbon I got out of that gun with JB bore paste!

[JWarren]

thats interesting, I just assumed anything that will pull the copper out that easy is also removing carbon, maybe i'll run some jb through my barrels and see if any carbon comes out

[lb]

Not doubting, but whether it's carbon or steel, stroking a bore with JB is going to turn the paste black or a very dark gray color. Never fails, stainless or chrome/moly. Clean it up and start over and guess what, still turns black.

I had a rough bore in a 25'06 years ago and I was talking to my dad, who was in Ordinance in the Air Corps WWII. He said they lapped rough bores when they had nothing better to do, and I tried it with JB. Thousands of strokes, weeks, and that bore finally had a mirror finish, but every new patch came out pitch black.

I kid you not, that rifle turned into a shooter, would print cloverleafs at 200 yards.

Good hunting. LB

[trappincoyotes39]

when you get going with it though I can see it go from a dark shiny black to a dull color with much less on the patch. Many cleaners are formulated to have chemical reaction with copper and lifting it, carbon I have found not so much.

[Furhvstr]

A little cheaper and works as good as anything for general bore cleaning is a mixture of 8 oz Kroil, 16oz GM top end engine cleaner and add 1 ounce of hospital grade ammonia if you can get your hands on it. Regular cleaning on a properly broken in barrel and you will seldom need any copper removers or paste.

[lb]

I know an extremely successful predator hunter that shoots a 6mmRem. (I think it's a 40X?)and he claims that he has never cleaned it. With a straight face. Many years, never cleaned the bore. This guy is not a kidder and certainly not a liar. He's a former CSVCA State Champion. I don't quite know how to process information like that? Sorta runs contrary to everything I thought I knew about precision shooting. LB

[trappincoyotes39]

Not cleaning the bore would drive me nuts. Plus I would think when it did need to be cleaned a guy would be there awhile. I know another guy who sighted his dead on with a dirtybore never touched it for a few 100 rounds, then gave it a good cleaning and it shot 3" high and 5" left at 100 yards. this was a 22-250.

[Furhvstr]

Back in the day I sold a guy here in town a .25-06 in a sporter m700 that I had never cleaned in the 2-3 years I owned it. It was used when I bought it so who knows if it had ever been cleaned.
Loaded it hot with 87 grainer's and some 120's for a few deer hunts. Shot probably 3-4 hundred Rd's thru it and never cleaned it. I never cleaned anything back then. That rifle always shot lights out. To this day one of the best shooting bone stock (almost, I put a Timney trigger in it) rifles I have ever owned. .5 inch 3rd groups were standard.
Anyways, In my youth and needing money for something else I sold it to this guy. He was a "know it all " type of a guy and all I heard about for the next month was how dirty the bore was and the great lengths that he had gone thru to get it cleaned.
He told me that it took a couple of weeks and several trips to the range but he finally got it to group!

Point being, and anyone who has worked with more than few stock and custom rifles will agree that some bores just require more care than others if a guy is trying to squeeze every tenth of accuracy out of it. Some sewer pipes shoot the same clean or dirty.

[lb]

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[stickbowhntr]

BLUE Goop

[copper91]

First post here fellas,,, good read..

Do a little br shooting myself (mostly 600yd stuff) and use eliminator, jb (about every 200rnds on custom barrels,,, more often on factory stuff), and kroil for the last step.

Recently started using "TM Solution" and when I first tried it I thought it was junk but figured out you need to let it set (I wet the barrel and let in set 4 or 5 hours) and this will cut the nasty I tell ya,,, carbon, powder fouling, copper...

Don't do it between matches or anyting but i sure do it every now and then becuase it ends up as clean as its going to get..

borescope will show you a lot of things about cleaning.

[Chamacat]

Yep...So today I was hanging around a little gun store..shooting the breeze..I looked down and there it was..A 2oz jar od JB paste...It was like 18.00 for it..OK..I get it home and was gonna use my .300 Ultra Mag as the guinnea pig...SO...I cleaned with Shooter's Choice...20 strokes ands the dry patch..then I hit the Barrell with Sweets...then remove the Sweets with solvent..dry patch..AND..then I took the JB Paste on a tight patch in the barrell...and I could not believe what I was seeing..the blackest patch that i have ever seen come out of a "Clean Barrrell"..I did the process twice....And this is the truth ..the last dry patches thru tho bore I could actually feel the rifleing in the barell...I want to thank you guy's for the advice..it even says on the jar.."Will improve accuracy"...And thanks again...Carl