Anything new

[Stef]

With these BMP?

[trappnman]

I can't remember the last time I heard anytihng about them-

was 100% against them

then the coyote one made me for them-

then the coon one showed how flawed they can be- and in the case of coon, in my opinion delibrately so-

[SgtWal]

Indiana took the traps approved under them and put them into the new trapping regs as examples of coyote traps. And adopted the method of measuring the jaw width.

[trappnman]

and thus the dominos start falling-

remember when it was,............. no ones going to make laws on any of this- these are just "suggestions"

and so it goes.........

[Stef]

these are just "suggestions"

Not here in Canada, its already the law on some species and more to come.

[robertw]

The testing continues, last season several traps were tested on skunks in Mississippi. The trappers had lots of problems with the traps tested.

At least one BMP has been written before any traps passed testing for this species, they were to be added at a later date when testing completed...

There have been inquiries about testing snares on otter in the next couple of years.

The work continues but is kept out of the spotlight as much as possible.

I continue to stay involved as much as possible but am extremely concerned about the negative affects these BMPs will have on the future of trapping.

[trappnman]

I hope you have some input on protocol-

I was so disappointed in the coon- and what does more tan disappoints me, but infuriates me, is that 1) Hamilton was well aware of alternative methods long before testing was over

and 2 and most important- If I sat down with other experienced coon trappers, and said-

"lets develop a protocol for trapping coon, that will influence chewing to the point of almost 100%, so that no conventional trap will pass"

and almost word for work, our response would be as written in the coon bmps-

50% access to land? no drowning? no holding in water? no surrounding cover? no movable drags?

gee- and you telling me the coon chewed? really?

who would have thunk it?

JUST EVERY FRWAKING COON TRAPPER OUT THERE THAT HAD EVER CAUGHT MORE THAN 2 COON!!!!!

Thats who..............

absolutely absurd!

[robertw]

tman,
It is EXTREMELY hard to have any input, let alone regarding the protocols. Formal proof reading and critiquing by the AD Hoc Committees of the documents once produced often doesn't change the material in any noticable amount.

I have done what I can to help trapping in these documents but IMO trappers have not been allowed adequate input into this process.

[trappnman]

I agree 100% on this-

and what is frustrating- is that on the coyote bmps, they DID use a lot of trapper input-

its like the first one was fair- and now its all vested interests- with the trapper being odd man out.

and they know that remember the coyote ones

my lord, you couldn't get them shut up about it- everyone everywhere was touting its validity-
you could read anything trapping related without reading aobut bmps-

only place I've read about bmps last years is well, here.

the silence and operating under darkness scares me

[trappincoyotes39]

:

;D

[trappnman]

several months without posting- and thats the best you can do-

not surprised-

wasn't it your buddys doing most of it? did they get kickbacks>

[trappincoyotes39]

[trappnman]

well, better to not say anything, then to trot old those false premises you tried to sanction before-

[ChrisM]

What "buddys" is that Steve?

[Steve Gappa]

RT for one

[trappincoyotes39]

Read all the BMP's before one comes to a false conclusion on the BMP's. Also might want to take a few mintues and view the DVD's that was put out by IAFWA and silvertip productions in 2005 some of the best made! As far as trapping and pelt prep for trapping.

See ya!

[trappnman]

don't give a crap about any of the other bmps- I have read and reread the coon bmps and the protocal couldn;t have been written more to induce chewing than if that would have been the goal-

and it would have been so simple- exactly like they did in the coyote bmps, to allow methods to be introduced.

methods on situations- no water, or drowning OR cover or a multitude of other things-

staking them solid in the in the wide open and they chewed?

really? Chewed?

now who would have thought that?

JUST ABOUT ANYONE THAT HAS EVER TRAPPED COON

apparently the authors of the coon bmps, think trappers are stupid, and would continue to stake coon solid out in the wide open, and continue to lose coon.

apparently, it never dawned on them that few method changes- could eliminate most of the chewing-

and I don't know who was responsible, and don't care-

cause I know this- method change works- so a GOOD bmp. would have mentioned methods have a significant impact on results-

but Hamilton had his hobby horse and there you have it


coon bmps are bullshite pure and simple!

and if thats a dead horse, T. U. F.

[trappnman]

^

[trappincoyotes39]

NO methods in coyote BMP at all, they where tested as the "MAJORITY" uses them. You can't compare a species with little known chewing tendencies with one that chews "ALOT" and try to persuade the outcome with methods unless "YOU" and "OTHERS" wants those written into the process as a caveat to them passing!!!!! Not what I would want, you can use trap X,Y,Z "IF" set in this manner! That would have been underlined for passing has to, to be "REAL" in the final outcome and why they passed, unlike the others you can set them in any fashion and get the "SAME" results no matter set type or area set!

You know and I know it and so do others with common sense and a brain. I could get NO chewing with a #3 and skunks if I didn't let him chew in it, then what point is testing the trap size and design of the trap???
You had a preconceived thought process with the coon BMP and didn't want the trap to be tested but you wanted passage with methods and methods only are what would have gave the 1.5 a passing mark!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Show me any other BMP that tested just methods to get passing grades and be very,very specific please! You won't because there are NONE!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't give me swivels or chain length, show me where altering the setting process meaning set construction and location had to be X in order for the trap to pass or the sole reason of it's passing with any BMP? The trap is key I can get zero chewing if I alter the setting process or set construction, but I can't by just testing the equipment on it';s own merits!!!!!!!!

Good day and good week!

[trappnman]

TC, no wonder your hat doesn't fit- your headi s ful of sawdust, your brians are wwere you sit

if others words, if you don't know- sit quietly

and you don't have a friggin clue about this- you ignorance however, should be no barrier to things being done right.

but oh great bmp masterb ater- its not just chewing is it?