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Post by Bob Jameson on Dec 23, 2008 16:02:50 GMT -6
It isnt my preferred or best antifreeze in my opinion but works if you achieve the right proportions to your temperature and moisture conditions.If you are using a gal a day you are using alot more then I ever used and I use the 50/50 mix ratio here.
But your temps are most likely more harsh for longer periods there.We are in and out of cold temps here frequently. Never liked the P.G as once it got alot of moisture it lost its effect quickly. It is best used in very cold dry conditons with dry dirt .
The avg trapper I doubt would use 2 gal a season because most are done around these parts by 12/1 . A few hit it off and on but by this time its dry dirt/ peat with salt. Then it is probably used only to finish the surface cover to prevent freeze over and hit the trap frame and jaw sides to release the trap better.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Dec 23, 2008 16:05:33 GMT -6
to do 90 sets that were in the ground the last time, I barely got by with a gal plus a 1/4 gal or so of urine- and I wish I would have had another 1/2 gal to do the job right-
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Post by Bob Jameson on Dec 23, 2008 16:09:19 GMT -6
I dont know how many ever used dissolved salt water but it works well also.It is more caustic on the steel obviously then P.G. but it works.
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Post by td on Dec 23, 2008 16:50:58 GMT -6
If this table is accurate, anything over 60% PG is not helping. Table didn't paste very well. 60% PG freezes at -60 and 70% is less than -60.
Propylene Glycol / Water Mixtures PG Conc. Wt.% (Vol.%) Freezing Point, F(C) Boiling Point, F (C) 0 (0) 32 (0) 212 (100) 10 (10) 25 (-4) 212 (100) 20 (19) 20 (-7) 215 (102) 30 (29) 10 (-12) 215 (102) 40 (40) -5 (-21) 220 (104) 50 (50) -30 (-34) 220 (104) 60 (60) -60 (-51) 225 (107) 70 (70) <-60 (<-51) 230 (110) 80 (80) <-60 (<-51) 245 (118) 90 (90) <-60 (<-51) 270 (132) 100 (100) <-60 (<-51) 370 (188
I've tried it. Prefer salt and collect a lot of dry dirt. Too lazy and cheap to make wax dirt. I deal with the rust in the spring......or summer.........or the day before I set them. lol Maybe if coyotes go to $50 average again, I'll try the wax dirt.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 23, 2008 17:00:41 GMT -6
interesting chart- but I know that if I mix it less than 75% (roughly) I have freezing problems-
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Post by td on Dec 23, 2008 17:11:01 GMT -6
Came from an engineering site. Looked legit. Have read similar before. Probably gets diluted with more water after you leave.
No offense, but I still can't believe you spray coyote pee on remakes. Seems like a waste of time, not to mention pee, to me. Don't your coyotes pee all over everything in the catch circle? I don't use any pee on remakes. The whole area reeks of it and my success in remakes is outstanding. We might have coyotes like pennsylvania has fox though. Maybe it's like rat lure..........can't hurt anything right? lol
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Post by trappnman on Dec 23, 2008 18:31:06 GMT -6
no offense taken-
but more remakes are skunk, possum, coon, fox rather than coyote- but I treat them all alike
I wouldn't argue for a sec its not exactly like rat lure-
but urine is cheap and I got plenty of it
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Post by trapperdog on Dec 24, 2008 17:12:19 GMT -6
Steve,How cold can you get it before it freezes up?I used RV antifreeze for awhile but it only protected down to about 25-30 degrees before it froze.As I understand RV antifreeze is also non toxic,since it is used to protect plumbing in RV rigs that sit idle during winters. Del Kramer told me about it 20 years ago and I believe his dad told him even longer ago that that.Just curious how well this new one works. compared to RV stuff.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 25, 2008 8:06:37 GMT -6
I've had the same results on RV stuff- it might work to 50 below in the pipes, but for sure not below 20 degrees, if that, on my line-
75% glycol, and the new antifreeze- if the set is soaked enough to penetrate down- will last for sure to single digits-
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Post by Possum on Dec 25, 2008 13:52:56 GMT -6
For us with old vehicles our anti-freeze is bright yellow/green/chartreuse and will whack a dog or cat in no time. Late model drivers use "orange" anti-freeze. Don't know the difference, but they aren't compatible. (Don't mix orange with green) I have seen anti-freeze bottles that says it is "universal" and will mix with either. As for toxicity to animals, why would that matter? Nothing is going to eat the dirt at a set enough to kill it. Maybe a coyote caught at the spot would, but it's doomed anyway.
I use PG down to 20 F. Then switch to dry peat. Steve, I thought you were a "peat-head".
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Post by Stef on Dec 25, 2008 14:26:02 GMT -6
I agree
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Post by trappnman on Dec 25, 2008 15:19:38 GMT -6
I like peat- but it still freezes-
they aren't compatible- but they are interchangable-
you really should flush your radiator at least every other year-
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