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Post by Chamacat on May 16, 2008 20:07:53 GMT -6
Yep....I was looking at using Stearling Nail Swivels.....BUT...is there any advantages or dis-advantages in using them against a box/crunch proof swievls?...adios
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on May 16, 2008 22:50:24 GMT -6
I always use them on a center swiveled trap as they lie a lot flatter. The box/crunch are really in the way directly under the trap.
I like the box crunch a few links past the sterling as I lay the loose jaw on them sometimes, especially when burying a trap.
Joel
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 21, 2008 17:58:03 GMT -6
The sterlings will hold way less trash due to design and also weld them shut and they are as strong as a swivel can get.
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Post by Chamacat on May 21, 2008 20:26:13 GMT -6
Yep...I'm making outa 30 common nails and 5/16 XH-Nuts...welded shut for lions..adios
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Post by robertw on May 21, 2008 20:34:56 GMT -6
Why not just tack weld a good crunch proof swivel? Lots faster and definitely serves the same purpose with twice the swiveling ability unless used on the end of the chain.
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Post by flatlander (Jeff Yancy) on May 21, 2008 21:39:15 GMT -6
'Cause Ol' Carl has already got his mind made up before he asks the question!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 21, 2008 21:54:36 GMT -6
robert how you getting twice the swiveling over a sterling, when you account for more trash in a box type swivel? I can't remember when I had a trash filled sterling swivel that didn't do it's part, I can't say the same for a box type. The sterlings are low profile and self clean them selves much better IMO.
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Post by robertw on May 21, 2008 22:06:54 GMT -6
TC38, because you have TWO swivel points in a box swivel versus ONE in a Sterling Swivel.
We weren't talking about just any box swivel but a "crunch proof".
As for being low profiled do you think they look sexy or what?
I'm not saying the Sterling isn't a fine swivel but, it isn't better than a good box swivel like the crunch proof.
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Post by kyboy on May 21, 2008 22:24:25 GMT -6
I can make them for about a quarter of the price and gives me something to do in the down time. I made my own jig so I can throw them together in no time. Main reasons I use them.
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Post by robertw on May 21, 2008 22:29:30 GMT -6
Kind of nice making your own equipment isn't it?
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Post by kyboy on May 21, 2008 22:32:40 GMT -6
Yes,very..Even if not saving money I like the satisfaction of making something from nothing.
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Post by 17HMR on May 22, 2008 6:21:06 GMT -6
Has anyone tried a box type swivel with a longer home made J hook, maybe best of both?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 22, 2008 6:36:44 GMT -6
robert your getting 2 points with a sterling swivel becuase they don't freeze up like others! They are used in mid chain all the time, the profile is the key to needing only 1 swivel on them, the crunch proof is nothing different but just thicker than a normal swivel. Plus the fact that sterling traps come with 3 swiveling points. They are stronger to boot.
I have done the same with these swivels on my bridger #3's and they work excellent.
The sexy thing is for Robert to decide, the profile is the key to keeping trash out of them or any swivel. I use some crunch proofs but mainly at the stake head and also ona few bridger #3's I have some as mid chain and trap frame.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on May 22, 2008 8:18:14 GMT -6
I really hate the box swivels directly under the trap base. They are fine everywhere else but I sure don't want them under the trap base. I can see where they wouldn't be that much of a problem if digging holes and burying traps but for uncovered cat sets they are a pain.
Joel
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Post by robertw on May 22, 2008 11:24:30 GMT -6
TC38, How many swivels do you have freeze up where they won't work with a coyote in the trap? I have never seen one yet that did this unless it was cheap piece of junk like the factory installed Bridger swivels.
"IF" Sterling type swivels (over other good quality swivels) would help me improve my coyote catch I would have them on all of my traps but...I don't think it makes .001% difference. Different strokes for different folks......
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 22, 2008 11:29:53 GMT -6
I catch coyotes in tall grass prairie and other areas as well not to mention in snow freez/thaw conditions and to me it makes a differance, not just coyotes but other critters and I agree with Joel much nicer to bed the flat laying sterling verus a larger box type, I find a need to make an indentation in the bed to get those traps I have attached with a crunch proof on the d-ring to lay nice and flay in hard pan.
Improve your catch? No won't catch more critters but may hold more over the long haul. Remember the time when Glen SR made all of these improvements in 1974-1976, I find that to be amazing given the amount of coyotes and the time he put into all aspects of this trap from top to bottom, these things still all apply today and even more so with the much larger anti movement.
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Post by robertw on May 22, 2008 11:38:12 GMT -6
TC38, When I said improve my catch, I meant keeping the animal captured, this includes with at little inflicted injury as possible.
I have never met a serious coyote trapper that I considered to be a hard charger that caught lots of coyotes that worried about what style of swivels he was using, just that the trap is adequately swiveled is the important thing.
I can also guarantee you that "IF" the Sterling type swivel improved animal welfare over box type swivels EVERY LIVE MARKET TRAPPER would be using them exclusively.
Maybe you can convince the BMP committees to do a test comparing crunch proof swivels against Sterling swivels some time.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 22, 2008 13:09:17 GMT -6
NO need to test, many buy them each and every year as add on's! I have seen the number ordered from Glen's shop to the tune of 1,000 at a whack, not as many as others but over the years he has sold a pile of them and then some. I'm not a hard charger I guess , I'm more of the anal type that likes to improve on all aspects of predator catching/control I guess I look at all aspects and try to keep it all top of the line, the less repair I have to do on a number of traps is time saved. You asked if I have ever had swivels froze up and I answered you honestly I have. The smaller the chain rig the more this can be a problem. The more cover and denser the more problem. I also stated I use MB crunch proof as well and they are good but to me the sterling is better. I guess at times I get lazy but at some point all my bridger #3's will have sterlings at the d ring, as we get new traps issued they all need things and I do them when I have time. I will say the MB's are a big improvment over the other box types and I can't remember one opening up on me outside of a tractor hooking it with implament.
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Post by CoonDuke on May 22, 2008 18:27:44 GMT -6
I always use them on a center swiveled trap as they lie a lot flatter. The box/crunch are really in the way directly under the trap. I like the box crunch a few links past the sterling as I lay the loose jaw on them sometimes, especially when burying a trap. Joel I agree so much it is like I typed it myself.
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Post by Chamacat on May 22, 2008 19:13:01 GMT -6
Yep...BINGO.....adios
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