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Post by trappnman on Feb 19, 2008 8:53:13 GMT -6
seems like we love to fight within our groups....
I was recently told this....
Ya, you put that much money on the table and everyone wants to fight. With coyote trappers, its never been about the money. It seems its always been about "I'm better than you at catching one of nature's most intelligent predators, so that makes me smarter than you."
and there is a ring of truth to that...
comments please....
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Post by Corey on Feb 19, 2008 8:59:57 GMT -6
Cat trappers are alot different than coyote guys....cat guys are more refined, smarter, better looking, get more women etc...
all tongue in cheek no one get pissed...LOL
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Post by trappnman on Feb 19, 2008 9:04:42 GMT -6
Cat trappers are alot different than coyote guys....cat guys are more refined, smarter, better looking, get more women etc...
lets look at your reasoning....
on one side..Yancy, Lynxie. Joel, etc....
on the other Zags, me, stef.....
hmmn.. cat guys seem to stretch the truth eh Corey.... LOL
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Feb 19, 2008 9:16:16 GMT -6
I'm a better coyote trapper than a cat trapper but frankly I consider trapping coyotes for $10$20 a waste of time. Sure it's fun to go catch a few but to set out any kind of a serious line for them at that price just isn't prudent.
I also think about my place in the market, why would I add more furs to a flooded market? That only hurts the guys that only have coyotes to trap.
If I didn't have cats I'd probably trap some coyotes just because I'm a trapper but when an average cat is worth 25 coyotes I just can't see it. I can't justify putting time and energy into catching and skinning them. At the end of the day I don't feel like skinning a bunch of coyotes.
Several years ago when cats were $50-100 I couldn't get enthused about trapping them either.
As far as I'm concerned when I kill something there kind of needs to be a reason to kill it. When fur is relatively worthless I don't see killing it.
Coyotes are an exception, I think taking them out at any time just helps all the other animals.
Coyotes need to be $100 for me to pursue them.
As far as being smarter I think catching a bunch of coyotes is easier than catching a bunch of cats.
Cats are dumb but their behavior isn't as predictable as coyotes. A guy needs his thinking cap on to catch cats every bit as much or more than a coyote trapper.
Joel
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Post by garman on Feb 19, 2008 9:25:18 GMT -6
Cat trappers are alot different than coyote guys....cat guys are more refined, smarter, better looking, get more women etc... all tongue in cheek no one get pissed...LOL Yes I am in full agreement even though I am a yote trapper, many cat trappers you see around the country club sipping tea in knickers and a scottish cap. Of course sipping tea with their pinky in the air getting massages from fair skinned young males. LOL ;DJust joking guys
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Post by Corey on Feb 19, 2008 9:27:36 GMT -6
Steve Wood, Jeff Yancy and Bill Illich are cat guys, they are smart and handsome!!
You have got to throw Bristleback and Wendt onto the coyote pile, that drops your handsome level down quite a bit really fast. :-D
I used to think that Cameron was a cat guy, but I think he's morphed into a fox guy....fox guys are kind of halfway between the cat and coyote guys....not quite as smart or good looking as a cat guy, but not as rough and tough as a coyote trapper.
All joking aside, when I first started trapping coyote were the uncatchable big game for me...then I caught a few, and then I skinned a few (I hate skinning a coyote) they kind of lost their luster, after skinning a few hundred more while working at a furbuyers during high school they really lost their luster lol......once I caught my first cat I couldn't think of anything else but catching more, I don't know what it is about cats but they sure get into your blood.
I think that next year in late Oct. I will set up a good coyote line and mess around with them a little, something about seeing a coyote bouncing around that just gets a guy going...i'll cuss myself while i'm skinning them though...LOL
Back to your original question, I think the $$$ really has alot to do with the difference between cat and coyote trappers, guys get those $$ signs in their eyes and do alot of stupid crap they wouldn't do otherwise....i'm dreading next fall already, every swinging dick with a spotlight or a trap is going to be out killing coon, its going to be a mess.
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Post by greatbasin1620 on Feb 19, 2008 10:16:32 GMT -6
Why do trappers, alone out of all outdoor recreationalists, feel the need to financially justify their activities?
If you have the time, money and desire, no one says show me the return on investment, if you go salmon fishing in Scotland, or on safari to Africa.
Just wondering.
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Post by bobwendt on Feb 19, 2008 10:22:36 GMT -6
I do. no money, no trap-ee so does everyone else. they just lie about it.
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Post by romans117 on Feb 19, 2008 10:25:34 GMT -6
Yotes= Access and pay for gas. Cats pay for braces.
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Post by ohiyotee on Feb 19, 2008 10:35:38 GMT -6
I don't know why they do but it seams they do as if monetary gain is a reason that makes it just.. i just trap because i want to. that's it. you really need no justification for pursuing an interest in something that is programed in to our DNA. it is instinct we are hunters , it makes you feel good, it connects you to the earth. Now if someone wants to make money off of it than fine , but it really isn't necessary and it certainly doesn't make it any more noble or just.
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Post by bobwendt on Feb 19, 2008 10:40:27 GMT -6
not for most folks. indiana sold 25,000 liscences in the boom, maybe 2,000 or some similar figure today. all staters are like that. no money, no interest. if your fur gets worth less thaN IT COSTS TO CATCH, or maybe I should say folks realize the bitter truth, they`ll stop. guaranteed, and you too, betcha. how many groundhogs you skin this year? small possms? starlings, house rats, star skunks, etc. how come? oh, no market?
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Post by ohiyotee on Feb 19, 2008 10:43:45 GMT -6
none not one never will, but i didn't stop catching them, bob i probably go in the hole every year , so what. not everyone thinks the same
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Post by ohiyotee on Feb 19, 2008 10:47:01 GMT -6
Bob you just disproved your own statement in the same statement ,there are still 2000, so what are they?
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Post by bobwendt on Feb 19, 2008 11:28:09 GMT -6
the 10% that havn`t realised, or refuse to accept the priciple of net vs gross. I hear it everyday, i.e. I made $15 as I sold a coon for $15 today. like they always tell you their high and average at nafe, lol, PRE commission even! I know of no one showing a real profit excxept myself ( $7 an hour- a joke job) and very rare few doing about the same, maybe 1/2 of 1% of the 2,000
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Post by trappnman on Feb 19, 2008 12:24:58 GMT -6
I think that we will steer this discussion away from a too traveled road- let it be sufficient that there are more than Bob thinks- making a good seasonal living on fur.
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Post by ohiyotee on Feb 19, 2008 13:14:41 GMT -6
yes, it is a tiring subject .........Perhaps i should offer this ...... would cats be more conservative or liberal? i think that most cats would be liberals , free thinkers not stuck in there ways , unpredictable but easily fooled . coyotes would be republicans conservative thinkers ,same travel routes, scared of change but not easily fooled. maybe that's why T-man likes to catch yotes and Joel cats!!!!!!!! lol
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Post by garman on Feb 19, 2008 13:32:16 GMT -6
I believe that, in all seriousness, there is something mystical and beautiful about those guys catching cats. I would also add the western cats mainly to me. Same as the catches of fox. They are so beautiful and look great in a fur shed, where as yotes are just trick and kill because I cannot stomach the things. They HELP ruin the fox population, and I am wanting to do anything to bring that population back. Cats are just mystical, and someday I will get out west in the mtns/hills to trap some, especially if I could get to go to Idaho.
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Post by Corey on Feb 19, 2008 13:57:10 GMT -6
No cats left in Idaho Garman...Cody and his brother killed them all. :-)
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Post by garman on Feb 19, 2008 14:10:07 GMT -6
No cats left in Idaho Garman...Cody and his brother killed them all. :-) LMAO ;D
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Feb 19, 2008 18:10:27 GMT -6
Once a guy know's what he's doing coyotes are as easy as coon are really.
I think I've become jaded though. OG says in his book its not quite an accomplishment if you trap 100 coyotes in a season in KS.
So how many would I have to catch?
And I'm coming to the realization that with mange...........putting out a serious coyote line won't pay.
I love cats but if your on top of them theyre easy too. And with all the outfitters in KS now a guy is hard pressed to get enough cat ground to get after it hard.
I'm glad coons are worth some money I enjoy trapping them and skinning them much more so than coyotes.
But at the end of the day I like a multi specie line and just being out there trapping.
And yes back to topic there are alot of guys that set traps in this county but not one of them can catch coyotes so yes I do feel smarter than them ;D
Jeff
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