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Feb 3, 2008 10:26:28 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 3, 2008 10:26:28 GMT -6
Have to say, I've never had the dropping get on the fur....
used a fresh skunk once as an attractant- now THAT I didn't think through.....
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Feb 3, 2008 11:02:31 GMT -6
Post by Stef on Feb 3, 2008 11:02:31 GMT -6
Why wolves droppings are always on the middle of the dirt roads?
I talked about it with musher ( personal communication ) and he says... Wolves droppings are in the middle of the roads and urine post are not in the middle... Edge, road junctions etc....
I believe from what I seen that using wolf turds let say at a dirt hole in a sand pit for example is a caution ( red light ) for them to start with.
Funny ;D
Stef
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Feb 3, 2008 12:29:07 GMT -6
Post by coyotewhisperer on Feb 3, 2008 12:29:07 GMT -6
I could go for that but also notice when i walk into the coyote shed early November when i have quite a few coyotes peeing for me that when i walk in they all crap at the same time.......because they are nervous?
You saw lots of fresh coyote turds on the roads out here........I can tell you that all the dumb ones are gone from hunters, dog wagons and trappers.
I can't see how a veteran coyote is comfortable in the middle of the road with wide open spaces on each side. then again if he's crapping there at night maybe he is comfortable.
Im not argueing with wiley just throwing that out for discussion.
Jeff
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Feb 3, 2008 13:15:06 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 3, 2008 13:15:06 GMT -6
the coyotes in the shed are nervous- peeing, etc like a shy dog I'd guess....
I think you nailed it- cover of darkness, they felt secure....
Heres a question- Toilet areas....
Muskrats and coon, have what I call toilet areas- areas where they defecate on a equal basis. I've seen coon toilets where they have filled up hollow stumps, old metal units, etc. They not only use regular toilets, but choose specific type locations. Coon for example more often than not, leave droppings on horizontal structures that are high- big rocks, half fallen trees, etc.
do coyotes have toilet areas? Areas that they seek out? Or does a lot of droppings in that area only mean that they spend a lot of time in that area?
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Feb 3, 2008 13:22:49 GMT -6
Post by Stef on Feb 3, 2008 13:22:49 GMT -6
For sure wolves have some or points where they have to ...
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Feb 3, 2008 15:28:10 GMT -6
Post by dabrock on Feb 3, 2008 15:28:10 GMT -6
I use them often. Sometimes import them they make good eye appeal and guides.
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Feb 3, 2008 15:54:59 GMT -6
Post by RdFx on Feb 3, 2008 15:54:59 GMT -6
Here in Wisconsin i noticed our wolves defecate in middle of gravel or logging roads and alot of times right next to large culverts in road, not on corregated metal of culvert by right next to it. Got to be a reason... Ive set up logging roads in middle of road and use wolf or yote turds and doesnt seem to make a differance.. Same with red fox, catch them also on the yote and wolf turds.
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Feb 3, 2008 16:33:20 GMT -6
Post by jdp4202007 on Feb 3, 2008 16:33:20 GMT -6
has anyone else tryed dog turds?? cause if they do i've got three dogs and plenty of crap lol
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Feb 3, 2008 16:49:09 GMT -6
Post by musher on Feb 3, 2008 16:49:09 GMT -6
I've never seen anything work a dog crap. The dogs had about 7 dumps on the line today. Fox are marking everything around. But they won't mark that crap.
I think wolf crap is a territory marker. It doesn't say "I'm comfortable" It says, "Keep out!"
I never set a wolf turd. But a scent post very closeby is a good idea.
Fox turds get set.
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Feb 3, 2008 20:21:47 GMT -6
Post by thebeav2 on Feb 3, 2008 20:21:47 GMT -6
Same here. Infact when I ever caught a dog the set went dead as far as fox or coyotes went.
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Feb 3, 2008 21:05:01 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 3, 2008 21:05:01 GMT -6
dog crap sure don't deter them I know that-
odd about the dog comment beav, never saw any difference here.
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Feb 3, 2008 23:57:08 GMT -6
Post by trappngreys on Feb 3, 2008 23:57:08 GMT -6
Beav I agree with you on that. I haven't caught anything after a dog catch, now I just pull the trap and either put in a new set close by or move on.
Tman I have seen coyotes use the same place to crap but they do use the area alot. I find a lot of places where there will be fresh turds to dried up old turds but not in a pile, they will be scattered out a 100yrds down a road.
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Feb 4, 2008 3:27:20 GMT -6
Post by foxcatcher1 on Feb 4, 2008 3:27:20 GMT -6
I just started using the "Toilet" areas the last two years. In most cases if I saw kick backs or turds I would set up a scent post near by. Now, I set a pee post near by AND set the kick backs and toilets. The way I like to set the toilet areas is look for what would be the closest area to the center of the turds and/or kick backs. Next, I bed a trap and move most of the turds into two loose piles on both sides of the trap about 1 1/2 ft apart. One pile gets a shot of urine the other gets a dab of gland lure. I almost get alittle giddy when I see this situation because I know it's a garanteed coyote. At dirthole sets I do like Steve does, not for the smell factor, but more for the foot guide that looks natural factor. Also, if I get a visit but don't connect I give it a dab of gland lure. I use every one I can find though one way or another. Beav as far as the dogs go I know what you mean I'm finding more and more that after a dog is caught I need to pull the set. I think the few coyotes I do catch in the dog remakes are the alphas or very dominate coytes. They do seem to be older and alittle more antsee when I aproach the set.
Don
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Feb 4, 2008 6:53:24 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 4, 2008 6:53:24 GMT -6
I often hear how you cannot catch a coyote after catching an:
A) possum B) housecat C) dog D) another coyote
and for me- I''ve found it doesn't matter a bit.
Are oyu telling me, that with zillons of possums in the woods, that a coyote avoids going places they do and working areas they do?
Same with dogs- I hear aobut catching 10-20 dogs every day- you really thing that coyotes "scared" of where a dog has been?
I've many times found that when Buddy drops a loaf, that becomes a GOOD location.....
E) all of the above
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Feb 4, 2008 8:11:04 GMT -6
Post by thebeav2 on Feb 4, 2008 8:11:04 GMT -6
You don't trap In the south Steve. Where coyotes are run with dogs every day. And those same coyotes compete with packs of wild dogs. And In most cases If you shot that dog at the set you too would have refusals after catching a dog. Now grinner's I never worried about. Every ones situation Is differrent.
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Feb 4, 2008 8:34:09 GMT -6
Post by thebeav2 on Feb 4, 2008 8:34:09 GMT -6
I have several spots like that on my different lines. All these spots are In wide open road Intersections. The scat Is also scattered and not In piles. I never liked to set right In the Immediate area I just found out that coyotes on my lines abandon that area and If I moved the scat That was a no no. But setting 50 or 60 yards up and down the road was a lot more effective then setting right In the toilet area.
I figure that the reason a animal craps In the open Is because he doesn't want his ass being tickled by the tall grass. LOl and pee posts are normally on some prominent object.
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Feb 4, 2008 9:02:54 GMT -6
Post by dabrock on Feb 4, 2008 9:02:54 GMT -6
I tried what the Beav said he does, set a distantance from the coyote toilet, had no response. Made sets with turds as guides and had reponse every time. Same with fox. As for dogs, caught coyote in same set,also with possum, however only after several days, in some cases only caught another dog or possum, as for cats, they are like skunk, when I catch one it seems to attract fox.
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Feb 4, 2008 14:09:16 GMT -6
Post by foxcatcher1 on Feb 4, 2008 14:09:16 GMT -6
I don't have a problem with anything but dogs. For some reason They just shy away from set that have caught dogs. No all mind you I do still catch some but seems like odds go down after a dog catch. Anything else I don't worry about. And after a fox..........thats a coyote set for sure.
Don
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