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Feb 2, 2008 13:19:43 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 2, 2008 13:19:43 GMT -6
When trapping with Jeff, he was surprised at how I used coyote droppings. I more times than not, put them at the side of the set away from the hole, on the back edge of the trap. So you have hole, trap, turd.
Jeff places them down the hole, as did Phil and Clayton.
My thought is I have the turd there as a suspicion remover/interest point that he should extend his nose to before his feet are in the pattern area- in other words, on undisturbed ground.
Then I expect him to lift his nose toward the hole, and take that step.
I understand Jeff's method- have all interest points at the hole.
Just curious how others think on this- obviously, no right nor wrong.
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Feb 2, 2008 13:48:02 GMT -6
Post by lumberjack on Feb 2, 2008 13:48:02 GMT -6
I always figured they would do well as a sight atractor / stepping obstacles and use them at the pattern. My lure / bait goes in the hole. Im no big numbers canine guy though, I must admit.
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Feb 2, 2008 14:07:29 GMT -6
Post by thebeav2 on Feb 2, 2008 14:07:29 GMT -6
I don't go out of my way to use them. If I find a toilet area I don't mess with the droppings that are there I set up the approaches to that area. In a ctach circle I may use any droppings that are there as guides In the re make. But to carry around droppings to place at sets No.
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Feb 2, 2008 14:35:47 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 2, 2008 14:35:47 GMT -6
no, Im just talking if you find one while making a set- might as well use it....
on remakes, I just leave them where they are
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Feb 2, 2008 15:35:08 GMT -6
Post by coyotewhisperer on Feb 2, 2008 15:35:08 GMT -6
Not DOWN the hole ;D
Beside it
Jeff
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Feb 2, 2008 15:55:43 GMT -6
Post by trappngreys on Feb 2, 2008 15:55:43 GMT -6
I've used them in just about every way but down a hole. I like to put them on a clump of grass and put a dab of gland lure under them with a flatset in front. I have used them for guiding to, it's just what ever I am in the mood for when I make the set.
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Feb 2, 2008 16:49:34 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 2, 2008 16:49:34 GMT -6
ok, ok- beside the hole....LOL
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Feb 2, 2008 17:01:21 GMT -6
Post by billmeyerhoff on Feb 2, 2008 17:01:21 GMT -6
Just got back from moving the turds I had beside the hole into the hole. Do you think they'll be alright until I check in the morning? ;D
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Feb 2, 2008 17:03:45 GMT -6
Post by trapperbill on Feb 2, 2008 17:03:45 GMT -6
I usually put em on one side of my dirthole and give em a shot of pee.I usually only use em if they are near the set I'm making.
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Feb 2, 2008 19:16:34 GMT -6
Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Feb 2, 2008 19:16:34 GMT -6
i cant speak much about yotes but here is what i have seen...if i find droppings near a set location and use them on 1 set i find that reds its not a problem...but now if i use them and put another set in and a grey is working the area the grey seems to favor the set with no turds....i use them for guiding purposes....and they make a good pee holder for flat sets.....
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Feb 2, 2008 20:59:21 GMT -6
Post by k9 on Feb 2, 2008 20:59:21 GMT -6
Standard dort hole I put them beside the hole. Walk through dirt holes I put them as Steve does.
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Feb 2, 2008 22:47:16 GMT -6
Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Feb 2, 2008 22:47:16 GMT -6
For cats turds are great eye appeal.
Joel
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Feb 2, 2008 23:26:20 GMT -6
Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Feb 2, 2008 23:26:20 GMT -6
I pick up all the turds in sight and pile them up in a depression I scoop out to mimic a cat scratch or scrape at a toilet location.
The more the merrier, some times I'll have a dozen or more turds in a pile.
I want them all in one place so the cat focuses attention at that place.
Sometimes I'll take a bunch of housecat turds and make my own scratch in a good place.
Cats are really attracted to turds by eye appeal, they leave them out for all to see and take notice of in their home ranges.
Coyotes are similar.
Joel
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Feb 2, 2008 23:57:25 GMT -6
Post by mountainman on Feb 2, 2008 23:57:25 GMT -6
How should they be placed at the sets Joel. Right now I'm mostly making dirtholes, scratchups and trying more walkthroughs. I got tired of making time consuming to make and remake pole cubbys. I can find a fair number of walk through locations in lower elevations and will set some of them tomorrow. Early competition has already hit those cats with bait and lure on that older line. Tracks in the snow the last day a couple seasons back showed me where a big cagey ol cat was totally avoiding my bait or lured sets and ran through a brushy rise (maybe a good place to catch a grouse or bedded deer?) on a very faint trail that could be narrowed down. That one might still be there and better now than the 24 lb or so that I estimated from the tracks.
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Feb 3, 2008 0:01:16 GMT -6
Post by mountainman on Feb 3, 2008 0:01:16 GMT -6
Thanks Joel. I didnt like my earlier post so deleted it.
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Feb 3, 2008 4:51:07 GMT -6
Post by romans117 on Feb 3, 2008 4:51:07 GMT -6
I vary where I place the turd, but like to have it as a guide. Usually hole or backing, trap, and turd.
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Feb 3, 2008 9:49:08 GMT -6
Post by thebeav2 on Feb 3, 2008 9:49:08 GMT -6
When I find a dropping I figured It was placed there for a reason and that a coyote or fox or cat will return to that location.If there Is more then one or two I know that that animal will most likely return. in this situation I never move the droppings but make sets In close vicinity of the toilet. I don't think If you use a dropping or don't use droppings will make or break you. Maybe with cats It's more important. But droppings or not you still have to be on location a pile of droppings just placed at random Is still just a pile of &$@*.
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Feb 3, 2008 9:55:21 GMT -6
Post by lumberjack on Feb 3, 2008 9:55:21 GMT -6
I cant speak for everybody but I make a set when I see them, usually within 20 yds of where they were. I figure it would pique their curiosity if they are moved a little bit. They dont seem to last very long when I put them in my pocket to take them elsewhere. Then I have to roll them between my hands like play doh to reshape them LOL.
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Feb 3, 2008 9:59:42 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 3, 2008 9:59:42 GMT -6
When I find a dropping I figured It was placed there for a reason
I bet I know what the reason was...LOL
but it brings up a good point. Wiley always told me that if a canine defecates, it means, more often than not, that the canine was comfortable in that area. A stall out area if you would.
and if you have multiple droppings with different ages on them, you know you have a consistent location.
this really is a 2 part thread- 1) where do you use the droppings and 2) do you use droppings.
I don't go out of my way from them, but I do use them if I find them. I think just like urine, lure, etc- droppings play a role in how a canine works a set.
Remakes- you got gland/urine smells all over- I might use one at that set or 2 freshen up a nearby set, but most I leave scattered about.
but on fresh sets, a dropping surely does no harm, and in my opinion does some good.
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Feb 3, 2008 10:21:08 GMT -6
Post by Wright Brothers on Feb 3, 2008 10:21:08 GMT -6
Last year I got my best grey from a fresh yote turd on a coon trail. Seen turd,, blend set next to turd, couple drops pee, fox next day, nothing after.
This year found yote kick back and set it blind, nothing and grew impatient, imported lab turd and pee, deer messed it up a lot. Finally trap was froze and turd was gone. Who knows lol.
That one was experimental, I don't make a habit of carrying poop. If there, I use em like guides. Then wash out of fur.
Oh and, I pulled a yote remake other day, big turd right on frozen trap. January Pa. freeze trapping at its best. A lot frozen this winter, like 10 inches deep in fields.
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