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Post by Stef on Dec 15, 2007 10:31:33 GMT -6
I use Camlock/Stinger snares and we have lots of snow, rain, freezing etc.. I boil my snares in baking soda ( just a little ) and wax the boiled snares.
That way, the Camlocks don't freeze and the wax is protecting my cable and other parts from rusting.
Stef
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 15, 2007 11:12:28 GMT -6
Will depend on locks used as stated. But pre loaded I don't think any differance will make much impact on your coyote take! The cable chewing will ! I know some talk big advantage to loading snares, but with my setup and regs I have not seen it. I use cam locks filed, coni choke springs and 1x19 in 5/64th and 1/16th and I find darn few live coyotes or little chewing at all in the highest majority of my snare sets. I don't load my snares but make them round for the most part. The main thing is keep the loop and lock out of eyesight if possible.
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Post by thebeav2 on Dec 15, 2007 11:30:59 GMT -6
Wish we could use the lethal method but we can't. Are chew outs going to be a big problem with these cable restraints? I'm sure It happens but I don't hear many guys In WI talking about It. If this Is going to be a major problem I will quit before I start. I just don't want a bunch of coyotes running around with cable around their necks. Is there any thing I can do to lessen the chance other then cable configuration.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 15, 2007 12:53:58 GMT -6
It will depend on the coyote and how early you check them and how early they get caught. It shouldn't be too bad as long as you check them before 9-10 am. I guessing you should be able to hold 85-90%+, they just won't look so pretty in some cases. The cable choice will help out for sure. All I can say is give it a try and see what happens. Keeping them in more cover and away from early morning human activity will help as well. Good luck and let us know your findings. Chumb them if you have access to hog fat! They love that chunk lard for sure!
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Dec 15, 2007 13:14:54 GMT -6
TC I dont think there is any real advantages in loading a cam lock snare. A cam is pretty fast on its own.
Other locks loading speeds things up quite a bit and it has good advantages.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 15, 2007 13:53:01 GMT -6
I know but there are some that say even a cam is far better when loaded, I just have never found it to be a big plus for coyotes and 1x19 cable.
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Post by musher on Dec 15, 2007 16:33:34 GMT -6
Cams are good locks but they are noisy compared to others. They "zing."
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Post by trappnman on Dec 15, 2007 16:35:26 GMT -6
and what do they 'zing to you musher...?
sweet melodies...?
LOL- sorry.....
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 15, 2007 18:19:42 GMT -6
Musher in the many coyotes I have snared I can't honestly remember seeing any evidance to the noise a cam lock makes having any issues with snaring coyotes. By the time the coyote hears the so called "zing" it is too late! In fact as long as I can blend in the loop and keep the lock out of eye site, I have very little refusals. Some like to pick a part a very simplistic tool . here are a few from the otherday, must have been hard of hearing or we generally have winds alot of the time may have drowned out that "zing"!
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Post by musher on Dec 15, 2007 18:31:24 GMT -6
TC38: I never said that the noise was a problem. I use them on my wolf snares. I'm guessing that if a critter does react to the noise it would move forward and close the snare with that much more force.
I don't use them on cat snares, though. If I'm setting a snare specifically for lynx and a cam comes out of the bucket I'll take a non-cam instead. A litle paranoia isn't always a bad thing!
And your response indicates that you hear them"zing" too.
Steve: They "zing" money! Usually a good dispatch but I've had several live wolves in them, too. Same for fox.
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Post by coydog on Dec 17, 2007 15:08:27 GMT -6
With the loop law we are blessed with in Iowa, loaded snares just hose you all the more. I actually would not want them loaded even if we had a bigger loop allowance. OK for coon, but not for coyotes.
How many of you snaremen have a 2 1/2 inch deer stop law and are running high percentages of dead snared coyotes? If so, whats your trick?
I still am amazed to find coyotes alive in some of the situations I have snares them. 2 1/2 inch just must be a little too much give unless you wrap them up good, and cold weather helps too.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 17, 2007 17:13:04 GMT -6
coydog do you use kill springs?
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Post by Woodswalker on Dec 18, 2007 3:45:34 GMT -6
If you want to use baking soda, no need to boil the water. Warm water from the tap with baking soda will work fine to dull the shine on new snares.
I find paint gums up the snare so it won't slide well in the lock.
I would never use white paint anyway even in snow. I tried it and the snare stands out too much even to me. Also, I think paint has UV brighteners in it which show up like a neon light to critters. Maybe I used the wrong type of paint.
Logwood is probably the best treatment for snares IMO. I think i have had the fewest coyote refusals using logwood treated snares. I put them in the solution (after boiling traps) and leave them in the cooling solution overnight.
I get the fastest kills on coyotes using 1x19 1/16 cable with a small lock that really tightens up, fastened solid a few feet up off the ground. It will shut off blood to the coyote's brain and it is unconscious in seconds.
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Post by coydog on Dec 18, 2007 7:14:44 GMT -6
Yes, I haven't tried the stingers or the coni springs, using 50lb compressions right now. FIled cam locks, 5/64 1x19 cable, with extension probably 13-15 ft total length.
If I can get them tangled up they are "usually" dead.
I would like to be able to kill them in the open pastures, but with the regs the way they are, I am not sure I could do it consistently.
Another thing I noticed on the overloaded snares, they seem to open back up, even with teeth filed in.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 18, 2007 16:08:37 GMT -6
Get some coni springs and I'll bet you see a big differance on winter coyotes! They take out more cable and with a 2 1/2" rule your still going to find dead coyotes out in the open. Grawes sells them at a decent price! Try them you won't go back to the mickey mouse springs!
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Post by Bristleback on Dec 18, 2007 18:51:01 GMT -6
Coy, not sure why you're so against loaded snares for coyotes......I run 1x19 and all are lightly to moderately loaded. I run a big loop to keep the Stinger, Cam up and out of the coyotes eyes-face...........the bottom of the loop is the critical height.
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Post by coonhangman1 on Dec 18, 2007 18:56:28 GMT -6
I think Coydog stays away from loaded snares, is because of the width regulation here in Iowa. It can't be wider than 8" on dryland here, unless you're 30 yards from a drainage way.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 18, 2007 19:20:59 GMT -6
I see no advantage to loaded snares when using a bigger loop for coyotes. If your snaring in the brush and they come by their not a dainty critter and I have zero problems with that loop going around there necks what so over. Also we have alot of days with winds in the 20's and 30's aren't an uncommon thing, even at 1 oclock or 2 setting you still have some with that wind that go down. So I see no advantage to loading for coyotes. In open areas I use alot of 1/16th cable and they again are plenty quick enough to do the job for me without loading either. Bristle you hit it though, the bottom of the loop is the critical thing and as long as they bump it with their chest it is lights out for them.
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Post by Bristleback on Dec 18, 2007 19:36:21 GMT -6
Understand on the width regulation.
On the loading........I pick up a few cats in snares set for coyotes......set specifically for coyotes, loading only takes a moment.......necessary or not with 1x19, maybe not.
I run a completely different snare set up for cats.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Dec 19, 2007 9:18:11 GMT -6
Both types of cable can be worked up to be as good as it can be with a little practice. But a well loaded 1/19 cable with a slim lock will be as fast as they come and will fire with very little pressure. It is a combination of the loop size, load and the support position that makes it all fly as efficiently and quickly as possible.I have gone to 1/16"x 1/19 in recent years and I find them to suit my needs best and certainly seem to provide a more durable snare to resist chews. Most of these are made for cats and they will take coyotes and dispatch well with kill springs.
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