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Post by PAskinner on Oct 18, 2007 21:56:17 GMT -6
Anyone use it for anti freeze? 2 oz per gallon of pre-sifted dirt as recommended by Carmen, doesn't sound too expensive.
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Post by trappnman on Oct 19, 2007 6:40:04 GMT -6
I've never tried 2oz into a gallon of dirt- mighht be great, might not.
But- I'll guarentee you, that it takes more than 2oz at a set, a lot more, to keep it from freezing down to about 10 degrees. After that, you could pour on a whole bottle, and its going to freeze.
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Post by thebeav2 on Oct 19, 2007 7:19:55 GMT -6
I used the stuff once I don't remember the ratio, but the dirt I mixed It with didn't freeze. But what it did do Is gather moisture and turned the trap bed Into a wet spot while everything else was dry or frozen.
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Post by trappnman on Oct 19, 2007 8:20:09 GMT -6
beav- it does not work in temp approaching zero- no matter how much you use- you can get the dirt soaking wet- and it freezes.
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Post by Possum on Oct 19, 2007 16:31:18 GMT -6
I use about a 50/50 PG/Water or maybe a little heavier on the PG side of the equation during the time of year when the temp at night goes below freezing and the daytime temps are above freezing. I put the mix in a spray bottle and apply it in layers. dirt-mix-dirt-mix until the trap is covered. Once it gets cold and the frost stays in the ground, I switch to peat moss.
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Post by johnthomas on Oct 21, 2007 9:38:50 GMT -6
glycol works good enough to get by most of the time in some parts of the country and well enough to get by some of the time in others, anymore i use it when its mucky in the day and frozen at night, i pour it straight often into the mucky trap bed an inch deep, then press the trap into the mud and cover lightly with muddy dirt leaves grass combo scraped up around the set, if on canines serious i use dry dirt and some gly col in the bed, the glycol one gets these days is much inferiour to the stuff one got say 7 years ago, it does not keep over well, stinks a bit from the git go and stinks alot more by the next year, the old stuff was a much better grade, i found one supplier that had low odor stuff at the kansas convention so i bought some, other wise any more i by glycerine.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Oct 21, 2007 11:09:26 GMT -6
There are different grades of glycol and some do purchase the lower grade that can and does change over time and is heat sensitive in some of the higher temperature states. Thus causing an chemical change that can alter the odor free properties.
Some try to save a buck and charge less for sales but it can backfire on the customer at times and if used in a formula for lure in the same manner. Ask if its 99% food grade or better when purchasing or get a refund if it is that bad.
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Post by PAskinner on Oct 22, 2007 14:18:36 GMT -6
Thanks for all the input. Any recommendations on where to purchase it?
A long time ago I worked at a company that made heat canisters and we used glycol-pretty sure it was the same stuff used in some car anti freeze and it did have an odor
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Post by JWarren on Oct 22, 2007 19:59:19 GMT -6
night, i pour it straight often into the mucky trap bed an inch deep,. would think that might be expensive at 20$ a gal
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Post by wheelie on Oct 23, 2007 10:23:19 GMT -6
I have a relationship with the President/CEO of Miller oil company out of Indianapolis. We have had many conversations about developing Lures for animal, oils, fixatives, etc.
I feel he is an "expert" in the oil building/develping/mixing/processing industry.
They sell their products to the likes of Cummings Engine company, Toyota Fork Lift division, Rolls Roice, etc. and sevice all facits of any Industrial Fluid use....
He (Ross) lives about 3 miles from my house and has helped me with rendering processes, chemical reactions, reasoning, etc. so he knows what we use Lure for.
I emailed Ross today after visting with him last night and showed him the discussion that was on here about prop. gycol...........below is hios response.
Tim,
Chemically propylene glycol C3-H8-O3. These are chemical bonds between carbon hydrogen and oxygen. Regardless of the grade the chemical structure is the same. Since propylene glycol is non-toxic it is used in many food grade applications. To do this it is important to make sure that the equipment is stainless steel this would include all packaging equipment and tanks. So while tech grade can still be 99 percent pure it can be packaged and stored in standard carbon steel tanks. Food grade propylene glycol also goes through some additional testing to certify it’s food grade status, so for your application, which I understand to be lure making, there is no scientific reason what so ever to use food grade product unless you plan on somehow feeding it to the animals that you are trapping. Tech grade propylene glycol will not deteriorate any faster then food grade propylene glycol. Again, it is chemically the same and Mother Nature is going to follow the laws of chemistry and physics.
If you insist on using food grade product for this application, I can sell you the food grade for .50 cents more per gallon then the tech grade.
Ross Smith
Miller Industrial Fluids, LLC
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Post by Bob Jameson on Oct 23, 2007 11:19:23 GMT -6
In spite of that being said the fact still remains that material breakdown/odor change does and has occurred in my experiences over the last 30 years. This material has been in plastic containers at times,steel drums and 5 gal steel pail sizes at times. A few batches I bought out from a going out of bus. sale situation have been exposed to high temps in storage conditions as I have found out.Not sure as to the real cause, age of the product/old stock/temperature/chemical reaction with certain ferrous propertied containments etc. The fact remains that odor change \ has occured in some glycol material and it can be quite significant to say the least at times. I have discarded some material over the years as a result.
Other formulators who have been in the business for a period of time have had that same experience as I have spoken with a few over the years with the same observation. No one wants to think their product goes bad or has had a bad run of material, but things happen all the time and they slip through as A-ok material when they may very well may not be.
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