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Coon
Aug 25, 2007 22:18:45 GMT -6
Post by k9 on Aug 25, 2007 22:18:45 GMT -6
Well I am going to roll pretty hard on the coon this year, coyotes will be secondary. So much so that I may put my 1 3/4's into service on drowners for coon, rather than use them for coyotes.
I am in Iowa the coon belt, and I think coon will be a good average from speculation I am hearing. Any of you trappers or buyers have predictions or thoughts as to the upcoming coon market?
I sell as I go in the grease, and only hang onto them if I see weather coming that would shut down the coon harvest, such as extreme cold or flooding.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 1:54:38 GMT -6
Post by rk660 on Aug 26, 2007 1:54:38 GMT -6
I'd try to peel off some of the larger coons and put them up, cherry pick I guess they call it.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 6:21:15 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Aug 26, 2007 6:21:15 GMT -6
Coon will be a good item this year my buyer tells me. That usually means that they will open about like last year with a good chance of advancement. Canines will be about like last year.
sounds like it longhair all the way this season.
Know your fuir buyer- most that pay good green averages, aren't happy with cherry picking, and your average on the other stuff will go down (not just your overall average). Maybe not fair, but understandable.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 6:46:40 GMT -6
Post by markymark on Aug 26, 2007 6:46:40 GMT -6
They way the fur trapping in general works they hype it then short it. You and every coon belt trapper I have spoken with is gearing for the payday this year. My crystal ball tells me it will be flooded in short order. Those big ol MN timber coons will always have there place problem is there is only a few areas that yeilds those prime monster bore coon. With that the Chinees need some form a fur to replace the dog fur on there Ghetto Wigger trim market. Most of the Wiggers who buys these items buy name brand, the name brand sellers will need the label to say not made from Dog Fur or made from US corn fed coon for the retailers. Either way the item will end up like the Rat and Mink market. All it will take is the drop a Gravel and you'll see poor prices again. Of course if it's a Velvet Gravel things will pan out, I have not seen a Velvet Gravel in the furmarket. Add in a little uncertainy in the economy and well? ?? The fur market is one of those unregulated trades that buyers can do what ever they want and very few trappers will ever walk away. Best of luck K9 but remember Caveat Venditor .
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 7:09:56 GMT -6
Post by garybenson on Aug 26, 2007 7:09:56 GMT -6
Same here. We've had a good summer with good rain, good corn crop. I see a good early harvest and I somewhat expect substantial early snow which could put a damper on coon harvest. If this moisture continues into winter we will see early heavy snow.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 10:01:25 GMT -6
Post by rk660 on Aug 26, 2007 10:01:25 GMT -6
let er' snow and freeze to hell, right at the in a line running on the NE/SD border, freeze up everything north of that line by Nov 5 and stay froze, LOL, that always puts a good jolt into the coon market, by taking most of the northerns out of the game, then everyone south of that line has "high demand, prime real estate" LOL
Just kidding--maybe.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 10:04:02 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Aug 26, 2007 10:04:02 GMT -6
let it snow- it keeps the trappers home- not the coon.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 10:11:53 GMT -6
Post by Kyle on Aug 26, 2007 10:11:53 GMT -6
You and every coon belt trapper I have spoken with is gearing for the payday this year. I don't think there will be as many trappers out there as last year. At least not the guys that trapped twenty years ago, then just decided to do it again last year...I don't think they'll be out there in as high of numbers. But I do agree that the trappers that go out there year after year, the ones that trap the water will go for the coons. Last year the fur market got alot of plublicity in general outdoor magazines. All the hype about high rat prices, beaver prices....ect I haven't saw that this year. I've only heard fur reports on the internet and in the trapping magazines. I agree with you Marky, I think it will be a hot item early...if it gets too flooded they will be treated like the Muskrats up there. I won't mind a cold snap 2 weeks into season if it hits the whole US, and not just the Northern States... ;D What you said RK, is just wrong.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 10:17:46 GMT -6
Post by thorsmightyhammer on Aug 26, 2007 10:17:46 GMT -6
Personally I'd like to see 2 feet of snow and than 15 below.
Keep the coons home and most trappers
K9 you got it. Sell em early and often but watch the weather.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 10:37:37 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Aug 26, 2007 10:37:37 GMT -6
Personally I'd like to see 2 feet of snow and than 15 below
doesn't matter how deep the snow ifs if it has a crust.
hot item- but keep in mind- its not like otter going for $40 then averaging $200, or rats going for $2-3 then jumping ot $8-10.
Coon has been, at least here, relatively stable for past severla years. I expect prices to be about like last years- and nowdays, thats a "hot item".....
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 10:44:07 GMT -6
Post by furman on Aug 26, 2007 10:44:07 GMT -6
The only times to hold fur is when it’s low and wait for better prices next year but when it’s in demand sell as soon as you can. A lot of trappers regret not selling there rats sooner last year than they did I bet there were thinking the same way you are now.
Too hang on to fur and hoping for better prices is rather risky when the prices aren’t bad to start with
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 11:00:16 GMT -6
Post by thorsmightyhammer on Aug 26, 2007 11:00:16 GMT -6
I'm not worried about coon movements steve.
Just want to see it cold and snowy. ;D
I think there are sections of the US where coon will be considered hot.
Last year many were looking at a 6-8 offers on the carcass that will be looking at close to ten early.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 12:30:41 GMT -6
Post by rk660 on Aug 26, 2007 12:30:41 GMT -6
i usually dont cherry pick when selling carcass, he gets them all, but if he wants to pay 10 bucks straight through, and those 36" plus are going for high 30's, ill be picking a few out. got a kid who picked up welding in a jiffy, and pretty handy at about anything else, might be able to make a skinner out of him. Only problem, think he is 1/2 indian, as he is gone 4-5 days after payday. now dont everyone with 2% Indian blood crucify me now, its just a figure of speech. I get a little indian myself if firewater is too handy at times.
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Coon
Aug 26, 2007 16:26:50 GMT -6
Post by lumberjack on Aug 26, 2007 16:26:50 GMT -6
Youd think with the few part time skinners I have one would occaisonally be available, yea, right. They must all drink together. If I have a 20 animal day no one shows, I catch 3 and they all show up. Story of my life.
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Coon
Aug 28, 2007 9:37:59 GMT -6
Post by rk660 on Aug 28, 2007 9:37:59 GMT -6
yea, most part time skinners, if never worked in a fur shop, are spooked off if more than 10 critters on floor.
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Coon
Aug 28, 2007 18:30:16 GMT -6
Post by romans117 on Aug 28, 2007 18:30:16 GMT -6
I have a 20 animal day no one shows, I catch 3 and they all show up. Story of my life. lol
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Coon
Aug 28, 2007 20:24:33 GMT -6
Post by k9 on Aug 28, 2007 20:24:33 GMT -6
Yep I will sell early and often, unles it looks like a short harvest for some reason. Grony was at the FTA meeting the other day and he spoke highly of the coon market. However, he said something that often rings true. That being when it starts out high it can go down real easy. I agree, usually the price goes up as they prime and as buyers gain confidence, but if they come out of the gate high there might not be any room to go up.
My buyer will spot cherry picking, and he is a good buyer who takes care of me, so I will not wrong him either. I won't finish any coon unless it looks to be a short season because of weather, then I will scrape every one of those little greasers and ride it out. Everybody gets skinned around here cause I sell meat to pay my gas bill.
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Coon
Aug 29, 2007 6:27:51 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Aug 29, 2007 6:27:51 GMT -6
Groeny- lets see- hes starting coon out at $40- but only for the XXXXXXXX ones- everything else will be....don't want em. but hey- groenys giving $40 for coon!
I wouldn't trust Groeny in anything fur related.
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Coon
Aug 29, 2007 6:50:53 GMT -6
Post by k9 on Aug 29, 2007 6:50:53 GMT -6
Yep he likes to play the game thats for sure. Never can get the guy to shoot you an average. I asked him about the money cut on coon, and he is against it because it screws over the end customer, which in turn effects the whole fur industry. INteresting thoughts on the subject, as without the end customer doing well, none of us do well. He said that he would prefer to buy rats this year, as they will start out low and can go no where but up. He says he'd rather buy them than coon, which will start out high, and can likely go down if a large harvest, etc. Makes sense from a fur buyers point of view. I know nothing about gray fox, they are rare around here. He was talking he'd rather buy grays leather out, as he can see everything about the pelt and spot the flaws. Said he doesn ot like buying them fur out. So I guess if you have some grays that are not too great, put em up fur out before you take them to Grony
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Coon
Aug 29, 2007 7:01:22 GMT -6
Post by Drew on Aug 29, 2007 7:01:22 GMT -6
this year it seems we've have more coon around...now sure if it's just the high part of population cycle or due to the increase in the additional corn over the last few years.
So will all you long line coon guys trap the same as previous years...or trap hard early and sell early, or do you wait till they are prime with the chance the prices falls off?
I just hope muskratgets back down to normal, last year I hated pulling 10 other sets at a den just to find mine...although I got to see some old traps that hadn't been used in years.
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