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Post by shagnasty on Sept 4, 2007 6:57:19 GMT -6
beaver and otter will not recover as fast as some of you say coon and fox will. the best of the best places will always be good for a few animals but most cannot take year after year trapping and still be worth going back. i constantly have to find new waters each season just to try and maintain numbers from previous seasons. i did not trap hard last year and look to do even less this season, so maybe in a few more seasons, my old lines will be worth going back. also, there are a lot of trappers that target beaver and otter so quite a bit of competition especially for the otter than travels so far. there was a lot of grumbling going on season before last about water fur being hard to find. water trapping is popular here because of too much hound hunting.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 4, 2007 8:29:35 GMT -6
anywhere total access is allowed ,and a trapper is determined, he can near exterminate anything. but it is a big country and just go anywhere else for 2 years and it`s right back. conversly, if w.s. were to fold, with in 2 years sheep ranching would be impossible in much of the west, and beaver hides and coyote hides better go up in price and ranchers better get their wallets out or there would be a whole pack of troubles
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Post by shagnasty on Sept 4, 2007 9:32:39 GMT -6
i dont try to leave anything anywhere therefore i usually have to look elsewhere or just accept catching way less. i like the open wallet idea!
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 4, 2007 9:45:50 GMT -6
last time I saw a rancher open his wallet there was over a million dollars in cash in it, all moldy. few moths flew out. that money hadn`t seen sunlight for years. guy claimed he was broke but I saw the cash as his wallet cameopen when it fell out of his pocket as he was climbing into his private helicopter to showe me where his deeded 80,000 acres was. I ask him could I shoot a small doe for camp meat since I was catchng his coyotes free and living in a house with no electric or water, down the hill from the mansion. he said he gets 50 bucks each ,so we smuggled rabbits in to eat. my daughter made the mistake of telling him she found an arrowhead and he says that`s his, came off his land, give it to him. we told him the indian that made it said the same thing about 2,000 years ago. guy had no sense of humor at all.
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Post by shagnasty on Sept 4, 2007 10:57:50 GMT -6
bob, met up with a fella several months ago, big time business man, has several pieces of land within stones throw from heavy development and interstate so worth a fortune. huge house, fancy cars, caretaker home, etc. i dont even know what else he owns or controls, but anyways as soon as I started talking money to remove groundhogs, etc. He thought I just liked to do it and said come back whenenver worth your time. probably would be good for a few fox, etc. but caretaker and 3-4 kids live and hunt there so can probably guess how good that would turn out.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 4, 2007 11:01:07 GMT -6
did ya stick any arrowheads in your pocket or pick an apple off a tree on the way out , to at least pay your way there?
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Post by shagnasty on Sept 4, 2007 11:12:06 GMT -6
nope, but i got the open door whenever, lol!
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Post by ColdSteel on Sept 4, 2007 14:59:41 GMT -6
Had the same treatment just 2 days ago on groundhogs.I checked out the place saw about a dozen good active holes.It was a 70 mile round trip for me to run the traps.Told the farmer 20 dollars each for every one I caught whichI thought was cheap he said he thought I done it as a hobby.I said sure in 95 degree heat can't think of anything else I'd rather do ;D
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 4, 2007 15:24:42 GMT -6
bet he farms for a hobby too. gets the gov`t subsidy as a hobby, lol, that your tax dollars are paying.
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Post by Traveler on Sept 4, 2007 16:06:09 GMT -6
Bob.........are you saying he had some dollar bills from back when Washington had black hair ! ;D
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 4, 2007 16:45:39 GMT -6
I dunno , but they hadn`t seen sun in awhile.
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Post by hotandry on Sept 4, 2007 16:54:41 GMT -6
I agree with everyone who says don't worry about it for most species. Make hay while the sun shines and let nature fill in during the off season. Which nature seems to do quite well.
Most of these species can take a licking and keep on ticking. Disease, over population, flood and drought seem to be much worse than some trapper out there hitting it hard.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 4, 2007 16:59:41 GMT -6
outside of small heavily hit micro areas, the biggest problem is natural over exuberant die offs from what hot and dry said. from under harvest. I was looking at some panoramic pictures today of huge canyons and vistas 50 miles across with no roads in them and no traffic possible other than horse or walking. maybe a road on top and then 50 miles of more rocks or canyons on the other side. I`m sure that road is trapped out 100%, lol, till about feb when the adjoining 45 miles on each side re-stocks it. back east it is anti ground that keeps re-infesting us. even the g-men can`t stop that kind of re-infestation.
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Post by musher on Sept 4, 2007 17:26:36 GMT -6
I believe that you can overtrap and wipe out the following species: wolves, otters, lynx, marten, beaver. To a lesser extent mink are vulnerable also.
My area is full of traplines. If everybody hits there line hard those species disappear - for a LONG time.
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Post by livefreeordie on Sept 4, 2007 18:50:50 GMT -6
I believe that you can overtrap and wipe out the following species: wolves, otters, lynx, marten, beaver. To a lesser extent mink are vulnerable also. My area is full of traplines. If everybody hits there line hard those species disappear - for a LONG time. You forgot Wolverine and Fisher Bryan... ;D
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Post by shagnasty on Sept 5, 2007 6:28:47 GMT -6
bob, i really believe hunters here kill a large percentage of the fox each year, hunters are in the woods strong beginning in november through february and shoot everyone they see. these big clubs run dogs and spook the fox up and they eventually run by a hunter that either kills it or gut shoots it. it is amazing that any fox survive in certain areas due to extreme hunting pressure. main reason it is hard for me to find tracks in january after deer season and cant trap any before that because of dogs on nearly every big piece of property. I guess it doesnt take too many to get by to re-populate, but there are big pieces of land here that are basically void of fox.
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Post by musher on Sept 5, 2007 9:55:41 GMT -6
Wolverines are probably extinct already!
I'm not sure about fisher ....
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Post by mr. finch on Sept 5, 2007 12:23:36 GMT -6
here in kansas i never worry about it. i take as many as i can from any area that i can.
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Post by MartyPhipps on Sept 5, 2007 16:27:38 GMT -6
There's a big difference in animals per acre in Northern lattitudes. Lot of acres though. Plus, they (may or have to) travel farther. Read about a radio collared lynx that travelled like 600 miles or some astronomical number after a rabbit die off. Of course trapping has less bearing than food supply in conditions like that. I wouldn't give lynx any breaks, unless perhaps it was early in their cycle.
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Post by musher on Sept 5, 2007 19:04:05 GMT -6
If you don't give lynx a break you'll soon have no lynx. They are easy to trap, really fussy regarding food, ill equiped to eat anything but unfrozen meat, and eat each other when food is scarce.
If the gov't didn't set quotas there would be zero left.
And then there's the hare cycle.
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