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Post by foxcatcher1 on Jul 25, 2007 0:07:27 GMT -6
I have used quick links for years. I think it's just as easy as dickering around with a J-hook. I like to switch traps after a few catches. I know some say use the same trap in the same catch circle but I just like to set a clean one every once in a while if the location is still producing. As far as cost, I buy them in bulk ( 200 at a time) and get them for $0.25 a piece. I then sell some of them to some friends and get most of my money back so cost is not an issue here. I warn you though don't try to bargain with store that only sells limited hardware supplies. I go to a place called FASTENAL. I'm not for sure if they are a national chain or local. As far as use, I only hand tighten mine and use them for mostly coyotes. I catch quite a few a year and have not had even one open on me. Actually it's just the oposite, they are usually HARDER to open after sitting in the ground for even one night. Now what will happen is you will have to wreck some pulling them in some locations (if you forget pliers to open them with). Or like stated above if you wack one driving the stake. Also tractors will bend them into shapes you can only imagine. Just my experiences with them.
Don
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Post by captaine on Jul 25, 2007 6:01:59 GMT -6
I lost a coyote last season using split rings, got to the set and had a catch circle in 3" of fresh snow with only the eye of my cable stake sticking up. I dont use split rings anymore.
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 25, 2007 6:19:34 GMT -6
opening j-rivets with cable cutters is easy. just put the jaws on the edge of the open part of the rivet and squeeze shut like cutting cable, it will open the rivet enough to take trap on or off. i use quick links for attaching body grippers to trees but i am reviewing this method due to time and tangled mess.
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Post by 17HMR on Jul 25, 2007 6:26:11 GMT -6
Shag, I like snaps, for dog leads, for my body grippers, they come swivled too.
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 25, 2007 6:31:14 GMT -6
looked at those, i may try them. all my 330s have the cable attached, but can be a tangled mess at times, thinking of just having a real short piece of cable and swivel on trap and then longer extension cables with connect in a five gallon bucket, just take however many i need at each stop. the only disadvantage i can see with the dog snaps is easier potential theft, so likely still use quick links in high theft areas so i can tighten down with pliers, thief would need pliers or a saw! lol.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Jul 25, 2007 7:06:08 GMT -6
Shag, opening the j hooks that way doesn't dull the cutters after a while?
It's a good tip. Thanks.
Joel
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 25, 2007 7:09:17 GMT -6
havent hurt mine yet and been doing this for quite a few seasons with the same pair. i have the kind with heavy jaws, not real expensive. the tool made for opening j-rivets always broke soon or caused me to smash my hand when it slipped so got tired of that.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2007 7:14:05 GMT -6
why not just cut the J hook? I'd never reuse one again anyway
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Post by robertw on Jul 25, 2007 7:33:38 GMT -6
Joel, The cutters never get dull because the "tips" of the cutter touch the J hook when you are opening them. The cable is always cut att he back of the jaws of the cutter.
T-man, I don't re-use J hooks either but opening them is just faster for me than dragging out the bolt cutters and cutting them. If your doing any snaring you already have the cable cutters on you anyway.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2007 7:45:18 GMT -6
where are you using J hooks on snares?
see, this is one of those things there isn't a right or wrong answer on. Robert, you find it much faster to open the hooks, I find it much faster to cut them.
Opened them for years, and when Zags finally talked me into getting a bolt cutter, it was like Christmas morning...
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Post by cflann on Jul 25, 2007 8:05:19 GMT -6
On the topic of split rings, it seems to me we have two different products described in this thread as split rings. One is (I think) what I would call a lock washer that is tightened down and the other is the heavy duty "split ring" (for lack of a better description) that looks like the ring on your keychain. Maybe those folks who use each should clarify which they use. Sounds like Bill uses the "keychain" type.
The keychain type doesn't need a tool to implement.
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 25, 2007 8:26:13 GMT -6
i reuse j-rivets all the time, never had any problems. quick links are the ones that screw together.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2007 8:40:43 GMT -6
you don't trap coyotes either.
the split rings I used were like a keychain, but bigger
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Post by captaine on Jul 25, 2007 9:18:22 GMT -6
The split rings I was using were also the keychain style but bigger.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2007 9:22:53 GMT -6
captaine- I see you are fom WI- can't remember who I bought them from- wonder if same guy at WI show some years back?
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 25, 2007 9:32:58 GMT -6
my big gear has all j-rivets welded shut. i just crimp on a new disposable stake when necessary.
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Post by musher on Jul 25, 2007 9:46:43 GMT -6
I saw a pic of a device used to attach a cable on a BG onto itself. It looked like a paint can handle cut in half. The cut side was twisted onto the cable. The other side, which hooks onto the paint can, bends to hook onto itself once the cable is wrapped around a tree. When an animal pulled on the cable the "paint can" wire tightened. It was "springy."
I believe that the dealer that sold then was LOYS.
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Post by Rod17 on Jul 25, 2007 9:48:49 GMT -6
Lots of good info in this thread:
Are a a few specific comments to you guys:
Cflann - I think you are right about two different items - I assumed most folks meant the split rings that look like a big keyring, not a lock-washer. However, would be good for everyone to clarify what they are actually using.
Robert - thanks for the tip about using a cable cutter to open S-links. I will give it a try.
Steve: I never re-use S-hooks either. Everything I take on the line has to be carried quite a distance so keeping weight down is important. I have a bolt cutter but would not want to carry it with me over the terrain and distances I go. What do you cut your s-links with?
thanks all
Randy
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Post by musher on Jul 25, 2007 9:55:14 GMT -6
The addy is: www.loysequipments.comThe attachment also acts as a swivel. When you are at the site look in "inventaire" (inventory), then "divers" and "viroles" (swivels). They have an excellent selection of trapping equipment.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2007 9:56:32 GMT -6
randy- I trap canines close to the truck, so carrying a bolt cutters isn't a problem.
On water traps, the occasion to have to cut something seldom comes up.
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