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Post by bobwendt on Aug 28, 2008 4:19:43 GMT -6
adc guys, tell me how to train this 8 week old pup to drag pups out of a den
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Post by Stanley on Aug 28, 2008 4:56:30 GMT -6
 Bob, use a culvert tube. I would take a old Fox hide, and tie it up good to a long rope. String it through the tube, and start to play tug of war with the pup. When you let it win, by getting the Fox Fur Ball out of it's end, reward it. Every now and then hit the Fur Ball with some Fox piss. Closest thing I can think of , of a dog draging something out of a hole.
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Post by Dhat on Aug 29, 2008 19:21:30 GMT -6
BOb not real sure starting from scratch. I would just take him on the line with you and let him harass trapped coyotes till he kinda knows what you want. This is the way I started my two old dogs and i have just trained others with them. Ive got two little jack russels that will go down hole but it was pretty much natural for them to want to do that. I dont think youll have any problem with him wanting to get after him only thing is if you can get him to go into hole alone while starting him. I wouldnt send him down till you are sure he can handle himself and has worked some coyotes on top of the ground. as far as how to get him to wanting to go to ground my older dogs just kinda caught on first time a coyote was in hole but they had been on a bunch of coyotes in traps on drags. Might have to have someone elses dog to help with his confidence till he figures out whats going on. Kinda like people everyones tougher when they got help lol.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 30, 2008 4:35:50 GMT -6
he already will go down holes and tight spots. I figure to kill all the adult coyotes first and just use him to retrieve spring pups or summer juveniles. he appears to be pretty smart, so that`s a start.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 30, 2008 5:52:21 GMT -6
today he is learning to ride on the atv front racks. that and dragging around some coyote tails and dead chimp munks, lol, between the nerf ball. he seems quick to learn, agile and bright. so it`s a start. when we start whacking indiana coyotes soon I`ll ease him into dead ones real slow.
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Post by Dhat on Aug 30, 2008 9:10:09 GMT -6
well bob if he will already go in holes and what no i would just show him some coyotes but like you said ease him into it. On the denning like you said i would make sure you got the old ones before you use him as most of the fiest ive seen are pretty small and if the old one didnt kill him they may rough him up enough that he loses interest. I use my two bigger dogs on the adults and only use the jack russels at the hole for this reason as the jacks dont have enough quit in them to know when enough is enough. Might help if you dug out a den or two for him and let him see the pups are down there and tease him with one of them to let him know what your wanting. Some dogs act real funny around coyote pups. My two bigger dogs wont kill one but will bay. They kinda act like they are doing something they arent suppose to be. had a coworker had a jack russel that would go down and kill the pups but would try to kill any dog you put in behind him also lol
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Post by Dhat on Aug 30, 2008 9:18:04 GMT -6
bob one other thing other than small trianing and getting him used to uoutdoors and stuff like that i wouldnt rush him and make sure hes mentally and physically mature enough to handle what you expect of him
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 30, 2008 10:30:53 GMT -6
I exoect he won`t be able to do much but watch and learn till spring at he earliest, maybe a spring after that. his parents went 20-25lb so he isn`t dwarf. and maybe he will grow big. heck, he is just a baby but riding the front racks like old time. so I think he will be an easy learn
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Post by troymcdaniel on Aug 30, 2008 11:01:30 GMT -6
Bob if you don't mind my asking where did you get him from and do you know how he's bred??
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 30, 2008 15:25:37 GMT -6
elliott murdock. the daddy was out of tennessee and the mother from some hi profile dog wagon. murt told me but I didn`t care. I`ll get that info agaian when murt is here deer hunting.
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Post by musher on Aug 31, 2008 5:35:14 GMT -6
Bob: Since you're not exactly a dog lover that animal must have some excellent potential. Otherwise you wouldn't waste any money or time on it.
That or you're getting soft on us (grandkids living with you and all!)
What is a mountain feist? Size, weight, coat etc.?
Thanks.
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Post by Stanley on Aug 31, 2008 6:53:09 GMT -6
www.dogbreedinfo.com/mountainfeist.htm They can vary in size & color. There are quite a few around my area. The guys that have them love them. In my opionion , a good dog , for the country loving, outdoorsman. They will keep your yard clear of vermin, and unwanted salemen, lol.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 31, 2008 8:12:48 GMT -6
I like working dogs, not much of a pet/pest dog man. I just see things like spock on startrek. all business, little emotion
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Post by Timber on Sept 1, 2008 10:25:47 GMT -6
Some of my dogs will consistently draw and some only do it when they feel like it. Either way they all put a hurt on whatever they are after. You can only train them so much and then their instincts take over. I run spring denning with dogs and it's not for the faint of heart. The dogs can and will take a beating. I decoy with my larger dogs and put the jagd down the hole after mom and pop are shot. I lost a Jagd last spring in ND to a 2nd year female coyote that wouldn't leave the pups even after shooting both of the breeders. I know since you are a vet you will be ready to take care of injuries but be sure you have a "fix-up" kit near.
I start all mine out on trapped coyote and then move them on to drags and decoy work when I feel they have shown me they are ready. Try no to let him get a "superman" ego on the trapped ones or he may pay with his a$$ on the free ones.
I work my dogs more for obiedience and let what the dogs made of show itself or they move on. Not all dogs will make good hole dogs but those that do are a joy to work with.
Don't start him too early and make sure that they are ready for anything you put them into or you can make them "shy" away. Make sure that his teeth are full grown and hard set before letting him really rag anything.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 1, 2008 18:36:31 GMT -6
gotcha, thanks. he is really coming along . smart as a whip. house trained in one day, learn to ride the atv in one day. and only 9 weeks old.
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Sept 1, 2008 19:29:09 GMT -6
here is my 6 yr old male feist...  |
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Post by hoosieryote on Sept 2, 2008 20:58:29 GMT -6
they are a great breed of dog my neighbor trees squirrels with his than coons at night fun little all around dogs and very smart he will train easy bob.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 4, 2008 6:01:34 GMT -6
he is into pushing leaves around with his nose now, and dive bombing ants and butterflies.
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Sept 4, 2008 15:00:24 GMT -6
just hope none of your grandchildren have remote control cars.....and if the do watch the dog because he will try and kill the car....lol
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 4, 2008 16:03:04 GMT -6
I keep a box trap strapped onto the front of the atv to carry mail and whatever in. we went to the woods today to cut tornadoe blown trees. put him in the box trap while chain sawing and he pitched such a fit I let him out. he just hung out chasing bugs and such. so fare he follows me everywhere, even riding on the atv for hrs on end, or in the truck.
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