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[markymark]

Marky what brand of stock on that rifle?
McMillan Stock

Also what benefits do you see with the 6x47 over a standard or AI .243?
In reality there isn't much to a 6x47 over the IMP the IMP has a 40 degree shoulder while the stock is 30 degrees. There is nothing gained at this piont. I like the looks of the 40 so that is what I get. Most of my guns are 40 degrees, in all honesty I have alot of quirks when it comes to guns. Stocks, triggers, rings, length of barrel,twist. If I can get a barrel in a half twist I will, this one is 13.5 twist. I can't get myself to own a Shillen barrel, Savage action, leupold scope rings. Crap that would drive a guy nuts and it does.

Now compare the 47 to the 243 I bet there about the same. We all know the 243 AI is one of the better rounds that Parker came out with. But here again why would you want to own a 243 Ai when you can have a 6x47 that not many have. Stupid some may say. Like say I went Pdog shooting and lost all my ammo with a 243 all you need to do is buy ammo and run it in the 243AI. If you have the 47 all I need to do is buy a new gun and ammo. See how smart it is.

When you add in cost of dies,brass etc? The dies are cut when my guy did the chamber job with Wilson hand dies. Much of my loading takes place on an office desk. God forbid I used a press. The only time I ever use a press is to push a shoulder back.

So is there are real advantage to the 47, I think it runs along the lines of the 2 BR case short and stubby. But to me when I hold that case in my hand and stare at it to me that's all that matters.

[lb]

I understand the "first on the block" attitude. Understand it, but don't necessarily agree with it, just for the sake of being different. Dang, mine even has the Shilen barrel. My stock is a McMillan, also. Guess our rebel has to draw the line, somewhere? I also favor the Wilson hand dies; soon to be acquired. I even use them with my standard 243W. Hey, I got my toes in the picture!

[markymark]

I know it's stupid but hey that's me. To me there is something about a wildcat round. I have always loved the 22-250 and 243 AI. There's something about that 40 degree shoulder that just makes me stare at them. One round I regret not fooling with earlier is the 17 Ackley Hornet. I just started with that round over the summer that for some reason I always wanted and took 10 years to take the plunge.

Next on deck is going to be a 6.5 on the Ruger Compact case. So many guns so little time.

Here's a nice read for the hot Banana.

www.6mmbr.com/gunweek024.html

[trappincoyotes39]

Why not go with the 6mm/284 TOAD! It serves a happy medium a 35 degree shoulder LOL. The draw back is better want to spend some time forming brass as it is a 7 or 8 step process! Now that is one caliber I wish they would make standard! A long range coyote gun for sure hit that with a Big A max or 105 Berger VLD and with that speed man what a gun!

Until then this "common" man will stick with the old .243 winchester .

[lb]

Thanks for the link.

Yes, as far as the sexy looks of that 40º shoulder. To me they look like miniature ICBM's. But, I shot a 220Swift for many years as my primary long range coyote rifle. It still get's used, but it's pretty much a loaner, any more. The first thing you notice with Ackley's is they don't need neck trimming as does the Swift, or (say) a 270Win. In fact, near as I can recall, I have never trimmed necks to length, on an Ackley chambering?

edit, re: 6/284. I owned one several years ago. It was a barrel burner, and I don't load hot, never have. With ten grains more powder, it doesn't do much better than a 243AI, and in some cases, no better; recognizing (of course) that every barrel is different. I'm not a fan.

[trappincoyotes39]

This one is a shorter case version between a 6mm/284 and a 6BR the OAL of the case is 1.900"! I know it would be harder on barrels but heck if a guy is going to build a gun I guess have a spare barrel on hand! LOL. This was the creation of David Todd. I'm sure it is very efficant with the smaller case! A guy can dream LOL.

[lb]

Oh, sorry. Not familiar with that cartridge? Cripes, there's so many, it's become quite a challenge to keep up; if I had the interest, that is? .....Bet you have Marky's atention, though!

[markymark]

I have a few a 6x284's the real shiner is a 1x14 twist. With that said you not gaining much over the 243 IMP. The biggest problem with all the shoulder pushing is your going to loose brass, not that it's a big deal but there is a learning curve to all case forming. The biggest thing I have learned from playing with many cases is this, if your going to create a case that you just yearn for chances are your going to be disappointed and performance wise there is an IMP case just asking for some love. By the time you get dies, find load data, fire form the case, test you can get the same out of a IMP case.

I have fooled with a bunch over the years, Middle Steads, poachers pet, Warbirds, JDJ's 220 Wilson Arrow, 22x6mm...... there are some that work and many that failed. One that I love in a Highwall is a 22-30 30 Ackley it takes allot of work to make the case but is a real shooting Wildcat, another is the 219 Donaldson Wasp. Easy to make and dead accurate. I went an extra step and trimmed the rim to have it in a 700 action. That is a real sleeper. Brass can be bought on gunbroker.com already formed.

Another round I love is the 6mm Ackley but I make my brass from Lapua 7x57 cases. That gun is loaded so hot I only get about 4 good loadings but it is a laser with 64 grainer's.

But if I had to choose 1 it would fall along the lines of the 22-250AI, 243 AI, 6mm AI or the 257Roberts AI Anyone of those could cover alot of bases.

[lb]

Ackley's are great, in my opinion. All the "wildcat" I need to mess with. My alltime favorite is a 22-250AI, gets velocities that most people think are lies, unless they are standing right there reading the print out.

[lb]

PS, since the pictured rig will have a dual purpose, including limited 1000 yard, I am thinking about Horus Vision system instead of a mount that will pretty much dedicate the rifle to that distance. Opinion?

[trappincoyotes39]

case failure on the TOAD is said to be minimal, he states only 1 case being failing after firing each 5-10 times on 500 cases! He makes it with 6.5 284 Lapua brass! 74 grain bergers at 3,760 FPS and 105 bergers at 3,300 fps! I would be happy to get them at 3150! What a coyote round that would make!