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Post by CrossJ on Jul 3, 2008 22:59:49 GMT -6
Put it into perspective we are talking a p-dog aka "RODENT" I have to agree with TC 39(Thought it was 38?) The anti's get ticked no matter how you kill them, weather it is shooting, gassing, or whatever.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 4, 2008 6:02:29 GMT -6
was I like to change every year what can I say?
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Post by lb on Jul 4, 2008 10:25:08 GMT -6
I understand. A rodent does not have much value, as far as I'm concerned. Other misguided people value all life, however humble.
I drove right by Varmint Hunter headquarters with Scott, probably should have stopped in, but had other things to do.....including killing a few of them little rascals, just to say I did it.
But, make no mistake, it does matter how we kill things, for some people.
One of my favorite irritants is the lion situation here in the People's Republic. We used to innocently pursue and kill approximately 75 lions per year here in the Golden State until some dickweek raised a hue and cry that we were slaughtering these magnificent beasts to the edge of extinction. Never mind any other proof. Just ask yourself; how many have you seen lately? Never mind that CA has always had more lions than any other state and they are extremely difficult to count.
What followed was about a 35 year moritorium and we now have (probably) three times the number we had then but they still quote the same bogus statistics. The difference is in the body count. Lions are stalking and eating people and dogs and the bunny huggers don't have a problem with the fact that these animals have lost their fear of man.
So, the Sate pays contract houndsmen on permit to kill something like 250 lions a year. This is okay with the animal rights wackos because at least somebody (sport hunters) doesn't get to recreationally kill lions, and the attendant "thrill"; it's just a job that has to be done.
A half a dozen deaths and dozens of attacks is a small price to pay to protect these magnificent (and endangered) predators. Forget logic, folks. Forget facts. It's all about emotion. When the subject came to a Initiative on the ballot several years ago, all it took was a thirty second commercial of "orphan" cubs and we were dead meat. In other words; we lost. Yes, people are that stupid and that manipulated by animal rights zelots.
For your consideration
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Post by SteveCraig on Jul 4, 2008 17:02:39 GMT -6
Excellent post Leonard. Same thing is happening in Indiana with the Live Market on coyotes. DNR is controlled now by anti elements. Some of their statements are right out of the anti handbook! You want to read some of the comments from these people, check this out. Its a long read, but at page 180 or so you can see what the officers are thinking! www.in.gov/nrc/files/Item_4_July.pdf
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Post by northof50 on Jul 5, 2008 17:20:30 GMT -6
Interesting read on posting Indiana live market cenerio. When I was doing my flea research on richardson ground squirrels in Manitoba most landowner refused permission at first, until it was explained what I was doing. The squirrels weree protected for a Sunday afternoon plinking actitivy. Once the OK waas given out came the o/u 410-22mag with a scope. 3000 RGS specimens later there was a few fleas to mount.
Country foke should have 100 times the voting power as city foke in some of these wildlife rule changes. They can feal th pulse of the land because they are closer to it.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 7, 2008 6:52:36 GMT -6
I feel for those that have to live in states like Cali, but we can either hide and try and keep silent on our activitys or bring them to the for front and out in the open for the most part and explain why we do what we do for the betterment of the wildlife and humans.
Case in point Conata Basin, the anti's wanted no posioning of p-dogs towns to let the ferrets manage their prey base population, instead of doing poisioning on a limited bases to keep towns spread apart, now they are dealing with plague moving through fast and ferious, as there was no stall zone in place by knocking back some of those dog towns, creating buffer areas to slow down plague if/when it showed up.
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Post by northof50 on Jul 7, 2008 11:48:46 GMT -6
That's why I was studing RGS in Manitoba. The last plague outbreak in the 1930's the fleas were studied up to manitoba's boarder. We did not know what species of fleas were here and what to expect when it moved. Most GP doctors do not recognize the symptoms of plague. Compared to the 1930's we now can treat it when detected. There was about 50 human deaths in rural Sask and Alberta back then.
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Post by lb on Jul 7, 2008 11:49:11 GMT -6
The problem is that the wackos have way too much access to the powers that be, they should stay out of those things they don't understand. Remember this. They NEVER LOSE! NEVER!
Every time, logic and reason will lose and when you negotiate with bunny huggers, they ALWAYS gain some advantage. This is why being a nice guy is a loser. Again, in simple terms, the anti's always win something, they never lose anything.
Let's say that you have $1000 and you decide to give a bed to a homeless person. The following week, they want to know why you have $1000 and why don't you give them some of it?
This is exactly what they are doing with every half baked theory they come up with. Take GLOBAL WARMING and polar bears will starve without ice! They can't prove none of this stuff, but guess what, the squeaky wheel will get the oil and the radicals with get what they want, which is that their concepts are forced on the rest of us, whether we like it or not, and whether we agree with it or not. It's applied Socialism.
Now, imagine the same situation as lions in California being needlessly protected for 35 years and they expand their population and run out of range and natural prey, so they begin stalking and killing humans.
Suddenly, they raise a hue and cry about supposedly endangered POLAR BEARS facing extinction! Hasn't happened; but it COULD? All their theories make liberal use of words like "could" and "might".
Fact is the seals "might" be much easier to catch if they are forced on to land instead of the ice and at the same time, the recently protected polar bears grow fat and happy and continue to expand their population....as with California lions. The next step is an increase in polar bear attacks on humans in areas where humans congregate along the shoreline. This is because the seals are smarter and leave. (note: I didn't "prove" that statement, just take it on faith, okay?)
Of course, the main thing is to protect the bears because somebody said they were endangered, right? Shooting one could land you in jail for a couple years and a $50,000 fine. Okay, I made that up, but what is the fine for shooting a problem wolf, or a lion that is stalking your little girl on the swing?
They win and we lose because people are stupid. The future for intelligent game management looks bleak.
Good hunting. LB
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Post by SteveCraig on Jul 7, 2008 13:04:22 GMT -6
Leonard, you are on a roll man! another great post!
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Post by 17HMR on Jul 10, 2008 7:31:26 GMT -6
Yup, Atnther great post, and I am glad hes back
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Post by trappnman on Jul 11, 2008 9:48:53 GMT -6
well- a good post.....maybe not great....
ignoring things that are apparent, like global warming, is counter productive also.
there is a middle ground, and we best learn to recognise it.
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Post by lb on Jul 11, 2008 11:51:39 GMT -6
Uh oh? Somebody's been drinking the Koolaid. lol
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Post by trappnman on Jul 11, 2008 15:20:55 GMT -6
we all drink koolaid..some with rose colored glasses, some without....
or as grandma said "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater...."
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 11, 2008 21:06:21 GMT -6
Many states have sound wildlife management, sadly some don't those that are "progressive" states it will be an uphill battle those that are grounded in wildlife management for the good of all hunters,trappers,ranchers and take in a good share of their revenue from wildlife management will be strong for sportsmans causes.
Some states due to the makeup of the controlling enetites and how they look at wildlife issues the fight will be long and hard, but not the norm in many states. The anti's have rhetoric and money, but sound facts is starting to gain hold once again in the US! See the cup half full instead of half empty!
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Post by SteveCraig on Jul 12, 2008 7:18:23 GMT -6
Nah........it was a GREAT post!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 23, 2008 14:40:49 GMT -6
went to the varmint hunters Jamboree yesterday, a good time had watched Glen jr get another title instock rifle class with a new 6mmBR that had less than 50 rounds down it! The winds were real tricky and strong.
Saw Gordy gritters and yes to all those nay sayers he had the footage of the 3,000+ yrd p-dog shoot and 100+ all got to see it on the screen, they did what the srtical stated as they have the cam corder footage to back it up. Saw some really nice custom guns and US Optics scope that can cover 1,000 yards of elevation with a single turn of the turret! No getting lost with that one.
Alot of good shooters at this event still going on through Friday. Tonights speaker will be Les Johnson on coyote calling.
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Post by CrossJ on Jul 23, 2008 17:08:28 GMT -6
TC39, I wish I could have gone. I was supposed to ead up today with Shaw, but too much going on here to make the 15 hour drive. Are you going back any more this week?
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Post by Schrader on Jul 24, 2008 10:25:00 GMT -6
Anybody make it by the Hodgdon Powder booth?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 24, 2008 16:44:17 GMT -6
yes I talked to the owner of Hodgdon powder. I use the varget and 4831 SC love both of those powders. I can't make it back this week, I'll call Glen and see how he did in the other classes. Was there something at Hodgdon that interested you?
I bought some Bore tech cleaner at a great price that eliminator is some great stuff! Lapua brass,powder and more bullets before prices climb again. Lock,stock and barrel some good people.
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Post by markymark on Jul 24, 2008 19:03:20 GMT -6
I like the Bore Tech cleaning rods.
I wonder how Glenn did in the Light Varmint class, he's shooting the first gun he ever smithed himself.
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