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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 25, 2008 15:04:53 GMT -6
I just received my new issue of Varmint hunter and the story in it has Gordy gritters Iowa rifle maker and Lee Fischer setting out to set a new world record for longest confirmed p-dog kill, these guys are shooting a 340 Gordy Supper mag based off of a 338 Laupua Mag casing, the real neat thing is they are shooting at these dogs at 3,600 yards! Which is a scant over 2 miles! They wounded a few and the bullet takes 8 seconds to reach the target at this distance, tough thing was finding an elevated position to acheive a 2 mile line of sight, they went 1.5 hrs NW of Pierre,SD, very interesting and some darn fine shooting, they used a nightforce scope and a special base to add in the needed elevation at that distance 240 MOA of elevation!
A very good read, so those that think 500 yards is a long shot what about 7 times that distance and shooting at a p-dog to boot that must look like a flea!
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Post by 3n on Jun 25, 2008 15:56:49 GMT -6
Shoots today kills tomorrow!
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Post by northof50 on Jun 25, 2008 20:20:11 GMT -6
It took me ten second to read the post. Guess I would have been toast. It is nice when you do make those 500 yarders, but in my experience " not yet back to back".
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 26, 2008 14:59:08 GMT -6
Long range shooting is something one get's better with the more one can practice it and under some different conditions to help when everything isn't calm and pristine.
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Post by northof50 on Jun 26, 2008 16:49:23 GMT -6
Like calm days ever come to the prairies. Beaford force3 winds is calm. But gopher shooting is always a good 360 degree shooting/ practice range to be in.
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Post by sparkydog on Jun 28, 2008 8:10:51 GMT -6
It sounds very impressive but I have my doubts that you are actually hitting the praire dogs you are aimming at. I need more info on your gun and bullets. What are you zeroed in at,how much did you hold over your target etc etc. It sounds good but I still need more proof. Top marksman in the world would have trouble with them shots.I'm not saying your stretching the truth but am very doutful.
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Post by redsnow on Jun 28, 2008 20:23:56 GMT -6
I've read this thread, a few times. 240 MOA, of elevation? That's right at 20 feet above the aim point, at 100 yards. (1 MOA=1"@100 yards) Not sure, seems like a shot in the sky, and a 1/million chance to bust a p-dog.
How can you "wound" a p-dog with a 340 Gordy Super Mag?
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Post by sparkydog on Jun 28, 2008 22:17:27 GMT -6
been talking to alot of guys about your claim today and they say your full of nuts. I want to believe youso give me some proof and I will go to bat for you because I have always said you are the real thing. But shooting praire dogs at 2miles I have to know you are not full of it  |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 29, 2008 4:24:35 GMT -6
Sorry spark dog, 1. why would this man lie? He has a reputation on gun building that is very good. 2. He states he has video proof! 3. He had more than just the 2 of them to back it up the story told in varmint masters. 4. This man shoots alot at 1,000 yards much more so than the majority of shooters. 5. Why would varmint masters print a story that had no creditability? 6. He states they hit 2 p-dogs but both made it back to the hole.
I guess if you like search for gordys guns call him and ask questions? He also stated there would be nay sayers, hence the need to video tape I guess. Also alot of guys talked to mean little unless they all shoot 1,000 yard targets on a daily basis and build winning 1,000 yard rifles.
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Post by redsnow on Jun 29, 2008 19:55:01 GMT -6
I think one thing that was lost in the message, Trappinyotes38 didn't say he'd actually done this feat. He read in a magazine where someone else had attempted, to set the record. Who knows what that is?
Shoot now, wait 8 seconds, for the bullet to hit, the p. dog you just shot at is 20feet away. Don't think anyone here is saying it's impossible, just highly unlikely. 8 seconds is a long time, for a p=dog. I'd be interested in knowing how many rounds were fired total. How many times did the shooter, make a good shot, and say Dam, the SOB just took a step?
Kinda one of those things, set a beer can up at 1000 yards and give a couple kids, an ole Winchester 22 semi, and a truck-load of ammo. It might take all day, sooner or later one of them will lob a bullet in close enough to knock it over.
You asked why someone would lie/stretch the truth, that'd be $. It happens all the time. Paper will let you write all kinds of BS on it. Puters too. lol.
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Post by RShaw on Jun 29, 2008 21:54:47 GMT -6
I read the same article and like TC38 I found it to be a very good read. I never questioned that the events did not take place exactly as the article was written.
To answer a few of your questions.
The bullet was 288 feet high at 2225 yards.
One prairie dog was shot at 22 times.
Some did move before the bullet arrived.
The actual record they were trying to beat was 3125 yards.
Some bullets were recovered at the mounds that were in pristine condition other than rifling marks.
How do you wound a praire dog with a 340 Gordy Super Mag? I dunno. Maybe the same way some people manage to cripple a coyote with a 7 mag?
Randy
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Post by lb on Jun 30, 2008 1:02:34 GMT -6
Well, you know; we all need to support each other, but. I know that a coyote can turn his head and you can miss him at 500 yards when the bullet is in flight. That's all I really care about. That prairie dog record didn't need breaking, if you want my opinion? I shot a prairie dog when I was up at Huber's last month. One, while Scott was watching with binocs just sat there for 2 or 3 seconds before tilting over, I guess those 55 VMax sometimes didn't open up too good.
But, another thing. What the hell good is a rifle that is set up for two mile prairie dogs? Can you imagine how many shots it would take if you tried to kill one that was only a mile away? More than 22? Those guys have more money than brains. In other words, I'm not impressed. Sorry. LB
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Post by Furhvstr on Jun 30, 2008 9:03:50 GMT -6
Leonard is back ! Things are looking up around here!
Sparky- it doesn't sound like you have read the article, you should if you haven't. I just read it and enjoyed it. No doubt in my mind. Gordy and those guys have done pretty much everything else so this just seems to be the next challenge. Records are made to be broken aren't they ?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 30, 2008 21:03:30 GMT -6
some can't accept the ability's of others. LB I would agree on many critters these shots would not be a good idea, but we are talking p-dogs a perfect small target to try and achieve something many don't, if a guy could get a 2,000 yard shot on groundhog or similar critter that would be great too.
To achieve this one needs to be in wide open country many places in the US won't give a guy a safe, good view for this kind of shooting and as mercer put it to those that achieve at 1,000 on a regular basis then this is just the next step. I found it quite a good read.
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Post by lb on Jun 30, 2008 23:03:33 GMT -6
Okay, I did not read the article, it just strikes me as an achievement of limited value. Twenty-two rounds at a distance of two miles to kill a prairie dog? I'm just being contrary (or way too practical) but I see this stuff as the equivalent of some obscure Guinness record like most continuous belches while standing on your head. This is the kind of stunt the anti's love to attack and the clueless public will come down on their side every time. LB
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Post by markymark on Jul 1, 2008 12:12:34 GMT -6
There are many guys shooting the 6.5x 284 for the mile shot, some are using the 243 AI with 105grainers. Seems the norm in last few years. I look at some of my gear I drooled over just 3 years ago and today it's out dated.
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Post by lb on Jul 1, 2008 12:32:06 GMT -6
I hear ya! Why, I'm almost embarassed to walk around in the woods with a 30'06. Worthless POS. lol
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Post by markymark on Jul 1, 2008 13:18:59 GMT -6
I would rather see my sister in hore house than myself shooting a factory round.
Of course I love the fact if I am out of town and need ammo all I need to do is buy a new rifle.
6x47 Lapua improved is on deck. Interesting note the PA 1000 yard club is 1022 yards not to mention you shoot over a road about 450 yards out. I used to shoot that range several times a month, I bet were going to see 1500 yard clubs popping up.
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Post by sparkydog on Jul 3, 2008 15:03:41 GMT -6
Soory guys for getting everybody worked up. No I didn,t read the article. I do have respect for people that can make them type of shots because I know I can,t. I have alot of military buddies that make 1000 yards shots routinely but like lb said this is something the antis love. If you want to make shots like that shot at a target not a animal.I,m with lb I wanted to take my 30-06 and throw it in the fire. To make a long store short I just didn,t think a 340 bullet could go that far and still have killing power. I,m from the old school that if you don,t think you can kill the animal with one shot you shouldn,t be shooting at it..
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 3, 2008 16:16:00 GMT -6
Put it into perspective we are talking a p-dog aka "RODENT" it doesn't take much to kill one and certainly Gordy who has built his share of 1,000 yard winning rifles would do the math on a bal program and see that it had sufficent power even at the range of 3,600! Or why waste your time trying for a record if not obtainable in your mind?
I don't think the new rage will be 2,000+ yard dog shooting for the majority as you are limited to the dog towns one could even pull off this kind of range due to topography and cover. Your number of shootable towns would be as stated in the artical few and far between.
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