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Post by bobwendt on Apr 5, 2006 17:55:28 GMT -6
it was a prototytpe model made by my deceased friend elmer boyer from pa. it`s only value to me was like I said, huge loop for lassoing nut cases. he later went to 1/4" cable per my recommendations to eliminate the kinking and twisted cable. then he died of cancer prior to marketing the end product. I don`t know why you think it was gave to me, but that is the reason , to test it on a real trapline where many many live coyotes were handled. the 1/4" cable end product was super duper, quick relese knob, no kinking, self locking without holding a clamping mechanism or nuts or anything. elmer is also the one pioneered and designed my solid pcv skunk poling system with the snap on and off syringe capabilities. he was quite the innovator, as many of the pa. trappers are, dealing with excess competition and limited ground and terrible weather. I first met "elm" as we called him when he came to me for instructions some 20 or more years ago. he was at least 100 lbs overweight, had only one arm, a full time job, yet knocked down 150 or fox a year in lancaster county. he is the first one told me about this young up and coming fresh buck in his country getting 350 fox a fall back then. some guy named PHIL BROWN. "elm" never had a bad word to say about phil and his judgment of phil prejudiced my opinion to think phil was a master trapper long before we ever shook hands. and "elm" was right, phil is a great trapper and individual as we all know now. been a lot of fox and coyotes over the grading table for all of us since 20 years ago. I miss old elm real bad. he died of the same muscle cancer that cost the kennedy boy his leg.
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Post by Dun Dign on Apr 5, 2006 18:16:05 GMT -6
Katch- All..........You can get all the replacement parts if needed. Made since 1952 The are the best "American Made"
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Post by trappnman on Apr 6, 2006 7:07:55 GMT -6
I'd have to agree 1031.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 6, 2006 7:14:55 GMT -6
How many coyotes and fox have you put In the box with your Ketch poles guys? I can't remember does the cable on the Ketch pole come coated. I'm a bit on the tight side I can buy 4 hog snares for the price of a Ketch pole. And like I said I have a hog snare that's lasted 9 years So what's advantage In owning Ketch pole?
Gary
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Post by trappnman on Apr 6, 2006 8:10:55 GMT -6
I don't put them in a box- because I don't beleive in that.
However, have released 100s of animals with my KA- and it still works like a top. Including many otter and coyotes, dogs, coons, mink, cats, etc.
Coyote fight the loop the least.
My $14 hog catcher was junk after a few dogs.....
ps- yes, the cable is plastic coated.
Wish I would have known the stick trick on my first few coyotes- all my bite marks are from the first few animals.
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Post by 17HMR on Apr 6, 2006 11:44:24 GMT -6
Jwarren,That looks great I am going to be a copy cat.
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Post by mmwb (Andrew Parker) on Apr 6, 2006 12:06:42 GMT -6
Great idea JW. Never occured to me to cut the thing in half, would have saved me some hang ups walking brushy ground.
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Post by JWarren on Apr 6, 2006 12:17:47 GMT -6
Unfortunately I end up carrying the thing in my backpack a long ways between times when I use it. It fits right in a special pocket never to be seen until I need it for a cat.
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Post by rionueces on Apr 11, 2006 18:50:14 GMT -6
How about a snared hog... Caught this one with a 3\32 cam lock. Weighed about 175 lbs. Lots of good BBQ.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 11, 2006 19:08:50 GMT -6
rionuces, I have to catch a bunch of them. I`ve heard they lift the fence with their snouts and crawl under, often using coyote dig unders. and also heard most are snared by the snout. can you go over your set up, technique, how bad they tear up a fence etc? I`m planning on 6 and 1/2 foot 1/8th cable I can double as live coyote snares, no stops on the hog snares, tie to fence post and good solid steel nuts for ferrules, typical "l" beaver drowner lock. how big of loops for hogs? hoew about snares in trails thru brush, or at deer feeders?
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Post by rionueces on Apr 12, 2006 20:50:25 GMT -6
rionuces, I have to catch a bunch of them. I`ve heard they lift the fence with their snouts and crawl under, often using coyote dig unders. WE CATCH THEM IN COYOTE CRAWL UNDERS THAT HAVE BEEN ENLARGED OR IN HOLES THAT HAVE BEEN PUSHED THRU THE NET WIRE OF A FENCE. THEY DONT DO MUCH FENCE LIFTING AS THERE IS USUALLY A SINGLE STRAND OF BARBED WIRE ALONG THE BOTTOM THAT IS STILL PRETTY TIGHT. MOST CRAWL UNDERS ARE TOO SMALL FOR THEM. JUST FIND A CRAWL UNDER WITH TRACKS AND SET ON IT. and also heard most are snared by the snout. can you go over your set up, technique, how bad they tear up a fence etc? WE USE A PRETTY GOOD SIZED LOOP WITH 1\8 CABLE AROUND 4 FOOT IN LENGTH. THE LONGER THE CABLE THE MORE THE BIG ONES WILL TEAR THE FENCE UP OR YANK FREE. THE HOLE SIZE AND SIZE OF THE ANIMAL THAT WE ARE AFTER DETERMINES HOW HIGH UP TO SET THE LOOP. STABILIZE THE LOOP ON THE SIDES WITH SMALL COPPER WIRES ATTACHED TO STICKS OR HEAVY WIRE STAYS TO KEEP THEM FROM PUSHING IT ASIDE. A GOOD HEAVY PIECE OF WIRE IS USED TO ATTACH THE SNARE TO THE BARBED WIRE AND NET WIRE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FENCE. OBVIOUSLY A POST OR TREE IS EVEN BETTER. I`m planning on 6 and 1/2 foot 1/8th cable I can double as live coyote snares, no stops on the hog snares, tie to fence post and good solid steel nuts for ferrules, typical "l" beaver drowner lock. how big of loops for hogs? I USE CAM LOCKS, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT ANY GOOD NON RELAXING LOCK WOULD WORK WELL. LOOPS ARE 10 TO 12 INCHES IN DIAMETER. IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE BIG ONES ARE CAUGHT BY THEIR SNOUT AND TUSKS. AGAIN THE HEIGHT OFF THE GROUND IS DETERMINED BY THE SIZE OF THE ANIMAL THAT YOU WANT TO CATCH. hoew about snares in trails thru brush, or at deer feeders? SNARES IN TRAILS WORK WELL TOO, BUT YOU NEED TO SET THEM LOWER TO AVOID THE DEER. WHICH WILL ALSO KEEP YOU FROM CATCHING THE LARGER HOGS.... A COUPLE OF HOLES IN THE GROUND BAITED NEXT TO THEIR TRAILS WITH CORN AND PIG OUT ( A COMMERCIAL SWEET BAIT) WILL GET THEM ROOTING AROUND FOR A SNARE CATCH AS WELL. I HAVE ALSO CAUGHT THEM USING A MB 75O OR OTHER LARGE TRAPS AROUND THE BAITED HOLES AND TRAILS. HOWEVER, AS YOU KNOW, THESE BIG TRAPS WILL INJURE A CALF OR DEER. HERE IS A LITTLE ONE CAUGHT BY THE SNOUT. A COUPLE MORE ON THE HOOKS
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 13, 2006 2:50:33 GMT -6
thanks, that is kind of what I figured, but never having done it before wanted to hear from others that have done it. I bet those little ones are good grub. I don`t know about anything over 60 lb or so tho. and boars, whew-eeee!
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Post by jeffc on Apr 13, 2006 15:31:38 GMT -6
I killed a big boar with a knife in Louisiana and it was some of the best pork ive eaten a pic of him is at www.hoghunt.com I'm pic #32 the big red spotted hog. So when you inviteing me down to snare some hogs in TX? I could trade ya pheasant or deer hunt in KS Jeff
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Post by rionueces on Apr 14, 2006 14:58:17 GMT -6
Bob,
The boars are good as long as they are not too stinky. Some are a lot worse than others. We give the big stinkers to the local mexicans who grind them up for chorizo. (a spicy sausage). Big sows and boars up to 175 lbs are usually good. We used to catch them, castrate em and let em go in a hog proof pasture to catch and eat at a later date. The same place worked great for those "big city" hunters who just had to have a wild hog in their collection.
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