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Post by Heavymetal on Apr 10, 2006 17:37:25 GMT -6
Hello im new on here. On a softcatch #3 victor the chain is twin loop and was wondering if the twin loop chain is sufficent for holding a coyote or should i replace it with machine chain or twistlink chain.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 10, 2006 17:44:26 GMT -6
unskilled: If looking for years of service I would add welded link chain like #2 good quality and then you don't have to worry about it. Twin loop chain on traps seems to be getting cheaper and cheaper. I had a brand new conibear a beaver hit it hard swimming and broke the chain! Cheap twin loop, poor quality control lucky he was only in 3 ft of water. Are you mandated to using only softcatch?
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Post by Heavymetal on Apr 10, 2006 17:51:37 GMT -6
I am trapping to sell to the live market and have found that other regular steel jaws laminated do damage to the foot and they will not take coyotes with bad feet. The softcatch I have been told results in zero foot damage if running 24hr checks which i will be doing. Im using an inline shock berkshire t-bar shock spring and i plan to 4 coil the #3 vic softies.
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Post by Heavymetal on Apr 10, 2006 18:08:45 GMT -6
I plan to sell to live market. the regular jaws #2 bridger laminated was doing to much foot damage. they will not buy coyotes with damged feet.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 10, 2006 18:18:43 GMT -6
whoa, #1 , you will get some damage in #3 softies, #2 you will get lots and lots of damage if you 4 coil the new victors, #3 you need the chain so short there is no room for a shock spring. #4 no need to change chain at all on victors. I have some #3 softies probably 20 years old that have EACH caught hundreds of coyote on the original chain. you better do your homework or your live trapping will be a failure, bigtime. p.s. I trust you did get VICTORS? if not you just lost your heiney bigtime.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Apr 10, 2006 18:45:24 GMT -6
I have to agree with BobW. on all counts with the expected results of the #3 softys. I have used the #3's for 20 plus years and have never replaced any stock trap chain as of yet. You will get some occasional cuts or off pad corner catch feet etc. it just happens.
Laminated steel traps just dont cut it in any way with live market applications. Heard this comparison too many times before that they are adequate.Four coiling of any soft catch trap is over kill and defeats the purpose of this trap. Only if you acquire an older run victor #3 softy then you may need to add conners Taos springs and they are plenty enough spring to boost that trap back to specs once again.
BJ
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Post by Heavymetal on Apr 10, 2006 20:12:44 GMT -6
yes i used the #3 victors and I have heard several of you comment on not using 4 coil on new traps. I will just use 2 coil until the springs get weak. Bob I got your video" on the dogline ". and i think you have helped me out alot on what vaccinations to use. thanks for the info fellows.
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Post by Heavymetal on Apr 10, 2006 20:32:20 GMT -6
I bought victor #3 softcatches and it sounds like i just need not 4 coil. It just seems to me a shock spring would help keep from damaging the foot. But this is my first experience using a softcatch trap. I plan to snare also for live market.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 11, 2006 3:55:57 GMT -6
those 4 copiled ones you saw in the video were like 20 year old traps, why they were 4`d with jc`s weak taos. when victor first came out with them the had #2 springs in them and were too weak. they corrected that since then and they are borderline too powerful brand new now. you will get better feet if you forget the shock sporings and just keep that chain down to 4-6" you need to rethink from fur mentality to live mentality. there is a learning curve with them but you will do ok. sdame on snaring, you will seeyou need 1/8th cable, which everyone says won`t work but works fine and no chew outs. anyone buying my videos, I would appreciate a direct sale as I mak no money off dealer sales.
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Post by Woodsmoke on Apr 11, 2006 5:51:16 GMT -6
So Bob, are you saying that the new #3 Vic softies, that come 4-coiled from the factory, are too powerful? I could have sworn you said somewhere else that they were OK. I'm not trying to start an argument, just want clarification - I have passed on some #3 Vics that were the older model with only 2 springs, because I was under the impression that I would need to 4-coil them anyway. Was planning on buying the new Vic 4-coil - if I don't have to, I can save some money.
Thanks
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Post by trappnman on Apr 11, 2006 6:15:16 GMT -6
To clear up- I know several trappers that sell large quanities of coyotes and fox to the running pens- all using 1.75 reg jawed traps WITH NO noticible foot damage.
This statement is not meant and indeed will not draw any debate, because it was not made as such.
Its just a statement of fact.
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Post by Woodsmoke on Apr 11, 2006 6:29:33 GMT -6
Tman, You are correct - your statement is a fact. However, you should have capitalized NOTICABLE instead of WITH NO.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 11, 2006 6:48:17 GMT -6
I used the same trap in collaring, and when the animals were posted, the feet were undamaged.
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Post by Woodsmoke on Apr 11, 2006 7:00:21 GMT -6
Lots of variables that can effect the end result - time in trap, air temp, weather, individual animal characteristics, etc.. It takes LOTS of numbers to prove anything as FACT. I have caught animals in unmodified steel traps that showed no damage. I have caught animals in modified steel traps that showed no damage. I have caught animals in softcatch traps that showed no damage. I have also caught animals in all of the above traps that did show damage. And I have caught animals in all of the above traps that showed no damage at release, but had the damage show up a week later in the cage.
Having done all three - I will say from my experience, that the softcatch is the best way to go for the live market. If you have a buyer who you can sell to the day of catch, or very soon after - then you can probably get by with modifieds.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 11, 2006 8:46:53 GMT -6
A good post Bryan.
My only point is that there are many live trappers that sell to the same pens year after year and they don't use softcatches.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 11, 2006 9:42:46 GMT -6
tman, all those guys are the $30-60 dollar guys. I get $100-125 on coyote and $125-175 on red fox because they know my feet are good-ALL GOOD, in fact guaranteed good or they get a free one. and vaccinated and wormed and broke to feed etc. no pigs in a poke, and any live game sold out of the back of a truck the day caught is just that, a pig in a poke and worth well, maybe nothing. brian, yes the NEW 4 coils are too strong for live market- way too strong, the NEW 2 coils are enough and a little extra. the rub is victor hears all these whiners on this 4 coil kick , that have never live trapped in their life but think they are god on every subject related to trapping. I don`t know the year victor bumped the springs up in power, but several years ago at least.
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Post by Wright Brothers on Apr 11, 2006 11:34:50 GMT -6
Speaking of worms I just had to med the dog for tape. First time in many years, makes my arse itch. Bob W, how many % the wild k9s have worms? Just curious.
On topic of springs and chains. I too have some that are still going from the old days. From what I have noticed newer steel is not as consistent, let alone lot to lot. Some new chains I could break open the j hooks so I replaced those. I check my equipment every year before waxing.
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Post by ColdSteel on Apr 11, 2006 11:57:06 GMT -6
Tman I need to find out what i am doing wrong.I use all 1.75's and I get alot of damage especially on grey fox even reds and yotes to some degree.I have laminated most of my traps and my chains are no more than 6 inches.I use 2 swivels so what am I doing wrong because I still have some cutting probably as much as 50% especially on greys
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 11, 2006 11:57:31 GMT -6
all of them, round worms, tapes , hooks, fleas, ticks, ear mites, you name it. why ranch fox are so superior to wild, and genetics too. like comparing a water buffalo to prime beef.
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Post by Wright Brothers on Apr 11, 2006 12:19:14 GMT -6
Not surprised at all with that reply, seems anything with fleas gets worms. Makes me want a box of those blue gloves for skinning, the clear doctor ones don't hold up.
Those grey fox will show you what setup works best. After centering the chain off the base on 1.75s it seems better for me. Only had that done one year ago though but looks better to me. If greys were bigger we'd be in trouble, meaning, they have attitude. My favorite k9.
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