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Post by Zagman on Sept 12, 2005 8:41:57 GMT -6
Finally took some pics of my set up......been using this for 6 seasons now....... I lengthened the boom so I dont have to reattach any of these larger melonheads...... This November, there should be a few coyotes taking a ride up into the barn rafters.....note that the boom goes up through the ceiling due to its length.... Here's the full set up.....the idea is to put the the coyote on the table to the left, and if I choose, weigh it right there (see scale), start the back legs (if I choose....usually do that on the skinner), and do everything right at that little work station..... The boom is lagged into the wall and will not budge.....it's solid. Amazing how when you attach a coyote to this without it being lagged......the boom "bends" like there is a big fish on the other end.....lagging prevents this. With the new insulation in the roof, a little dog house had to be built to keep some of the heat in and allow the boom to go well up into the rafters.....I'd say the top of the boom is about 13 ft up.......special thanks to forum member Big Guy for helping with this design.... Here's how I hook the loose hide up.....I use the nylon rope and golf ball method......I have two straps I am thinking about attaching to the concrete......I placed them on either side of the existing eyebolt......ropes can be attached to these once they are lagged into the concrete.... I was thinking with two ropes, I could just attach the nylon ropes to the bottom legs......but it will probably just slide off......could do two vice grips, though, I reckon..... Here's the skinner table, showing my knives, steels, and shoulder plungers..... the saws are for leg-lopping..... There you have it......just need a new electrical service down to the barn.....when I run the skinner, it dims the lights in the barn......like a prison movie when they electricute some booger eater. Zagman e
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Post by lynxcat on Sept 12, 2005 8:47:35 GMT -6
DAMN...now THAT is nice....serious piece of equipment there!!! lynx
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Post by jwr64 on Sept 13, 2005 8:20:14 GMT -6
That is nice. What kind of switch do most of yall use? I couldnt find one that I really liked. I wired up a old contol off a remote control trolling motor gonna try that.
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Post by MChewk on Sept 13, 2005 10:05:40 GMT -6
I am suspicious....your 'shed looks TOO neat...Wheres all the stains from the gobs of fat and blood...lol
Great lookin' set up! Hey got a question about lopping off the legs with saw...or really anything...do you have more mess with cutting those leg arteries? I tried sawing legs but didn't like the mess. Whats your method?
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Post by foxtail on Sept 13, 2005 10:27:29 GMT -6
Hey got a question about lopping off the legs with saw...or really anything...do you have more mess with cutting those leg arteries? I tried sawing legs but didn't like the mess. Whats your method? I noticed that too. I usually use a garden shears to lope off the feet, but you really dont have to do it. Just pull the skin, when the legs come out, nick the hide and keep pulling. They will come loose of the carcass easily.
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Post by edge on Sept 13, 2005 12:19:49 GMT -6
Chewk,
I thought I used a lopper for the legs,but apparenly it is a large cable cutter;2 convex blades;no slip,no quit.
Edge
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Post by Zagman on Sept 13, 2005 12:45:48 GMT -6
Chewk: Look close, the blood is all over the machine itself.....
This is a new location in the barn for the puller, along with insulation, the dog house above the boom, etc. Thus, no blood. Plus, I lay down tons of cardboard when I start pulling and lopping to soak up the mess....
Regardling lopping the legs....have heard about the mess issue before too...
Not sure what the difference is......other than I am killing MOST of these coyotes in the AM and skinning them in the PM....
Honestly, no bull, scout's honor......I don't think I get nary a DROP of blood when I do this.....none, nada, zippo, maybe a pin drop.....
I grab the coyote by the wrist, hanging from the puller, with it's head about knee-high.......
At the elbow joint, but on the ribcage side of the joint.....I saw straight through......
I get bone-saw dust, but NO blood......or VERY VERY little....like a drop or two.
My MESS comes from head shooting OR a complete pass-through on a ribcage shot....
But seriously, nothing from the legs....
Honest.
Zagman
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Post by rk660 on Sept 13, 2005 14:29:57 GMT -6
Zag, I'm guessing you would probibly find clamping fur w/ 2 vise grips on leg fur of yotes faster than the rope and ball deal.
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Post by td on Sept 13, 2005 19:50:05 GMT -6
and the "wrap skin around pipe and drop plate on it" is even faster ;D No bending over either.
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Post by foxtail on Sept 13, 2005 20:00:49 GMT -6
and the "wrap skin around pipe and drop plate on it" is even faster ;D No bending over either. pic please
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Post by Zagman on Sept 13, 2005 21:02:34 GMT -6
Foxtail:
That method is actually part of the table I have.....look closely at the last pic.....there's a hinged deal with a piece of round pipe. You bring the loose hide down in front of the table, lift the hinge UP, wrap the hide around the pipe by your crotch, drop the hinged pipe....
....and as you pull UP on the hide with the winch, the hinged pipe cinches/locks/grabs/pinches the hide between it and the table frame pipe.....
Hard to explain...will take a pic.....hows that?
Zagman
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Post by foxtail on Sept 13, 2005 22:44:19 GMT -6
That would be groovy.
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Post by Stef on Sept 14, 2005 18:46:38 GMT -6
Nice set up mark
Yeah, 2 days waiting for them...LoL
Stef
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Post by Zagman on Sept 16, 2005 9:35:20 GMT -6
Here' the pics of the paddle and pipe attachment on my skinner.... Here's the hinged paddle...very heavy, the weight of it helps keep it down.... Here I am lifting up, as you would to insert a hide. The pipe is the frame of the table and the hide will wrap around the piped and be pinched by the paddle... Here, I am skinning a towel LOL, really using a towel hooked to the gambrel to simulate a loose hide.... And here's what the towel looks like when you pull UP on the gambel with the winch......the paddle pinches the hide to the pipe frame and the hide comes off like a sock off of a man's foot. I do not use this method with coyotes, as the hide seems to pull too TOUGH and the hides slips out of the pinch-point. It works on coon, and I dont doubt it'd work on fresh coyotes...... When pulling UP with the winch, one holds onto the tail of the animal, which pulls against the winch, and therefore, locks the hide in place. It's slick as heck, wish I could use it more, as it sure is more convenient than any other hide-attachment method. Good luck! Zagman
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Post by MChewk on Sept 16, 2005 9:41:39 GMT -6
Mark, did you check around and price other skinnin' rigs before deciding on your rig? Now you got me thinkn' of one...I still do it all by hand...and knee.
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Post by td on Sept 16, 2005 10:29:03 GMT -6
Zags, if you spread out the base of the coyote skin, out past the edges of the clamp, it usually doesn't slip much, if any, at least for me. I rarely skin any coyotes the same day caught. I like to let them cool so the blood sets up. (Dad is a furbuyer, so a lot of them are frozen, or have been froze, or left in a cool place for a few days) No doubt, our coyotes aren't as big as yours. The biggest only weigh around 40-45lbs, but they are no problem w/ slipping either.
I usually put one hand on the plate, while holding onto the tail at the same time. Slipping is never a problem for me here. After pulling down to the front legs, I lower the yote a little, just a bump or two on the switch, to put slack in the cable while I get past the front legs. If I didn't do this, it will slip, then would have to lower the coyote and re-clamp. Maybe here is where you are having your problem?
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Post by jim on Sept 16, 2005 10:37:55 GMT -6
Zagman: I call that a flop plate, your design is just needing a little improvement. The plate needs to be a little shorter so it ALMOST swings by the pipe, shorten it up and it will grab/cinch/pinch the hide and you will never have to hold the tail or put more pressure on the plate. I have two baby ones on my horizonal skinner to put on the legs of the pelt, they have a little spring to hold until I get a pull on them then the design keeps them from slipping. Jim
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Post by Zagman on Sept 16, 2005 10:39:56 GMT -6
Chewk: I did NOT price these puppies out.....like a candy bar, it was truly an impulse purchase, though it was one I have never regretted.
I will say that other guys that I know that are much more handy than me have told me that I paid a fair price for the rig and that they could not make one much cheaper......which was always nice to hear.
Mine is a heavy duty SOB for sure, much more stout than many I have seen at conventions and such.
Regardless, a guy could get by with a whole lot less.....in essence, a winch and a place to hook the loose hide is all that you need. The table and boom are not necessary.....
TD: I will re-examine the paddle-method this season.....plus my boom is much higher now as well. Thanks for the input....
Zagman
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Post by Zagman on Sept 16, 2005 10:41:55 GMT -6
Jim: That makes perfect sense....do you have any pics of your set up?
MZ
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Post by jim on Sept 16, 2005 11:02:25 GMT -6
MZ; I had some of these pics. on here once before. I had a big one like yours about 12" but didn't work real good on the horizonal skinner, these hold better for me than visegrips do. Jim
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