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Post by sbhooper on Mar 23, 2005 9:02:19 GMT -6
That is really a great thread. I will definitely keep it for future reference. Thanks.
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Post by RiverRat on Mar 23, 2005 9:08:15 GMT -6
ltd - thats a great catch, gotta love that river mind sayin what state your from? RiverRat
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Post by John Porter on Mar 24, 2005 8:23:33 GMT -6
For all you that use both the 330 and snares. What would you say is your catch rate between the two? I have never set a 330 as before I started snares, I use footholds only. John
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Post by yota on Mar 24, 2005 14:05:12 GMT -6
John,
A snare will out catch a 330 ......10 to 1 or more.
Hey Boggy care to differ ......LOL
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Post by Bogmaster on Mar 24, 2005 15:18:57 GMT -6
Buz,I don't even bother with snares.I can't argue your point because of this reason. I trap for fur,my 330s provide me with all the beaver I can handle.If I had a skinner my spring time catches could be increased.That isn't going to happen,so I will continue to limit my catch. I only set as many traps as I can check each and every day.It is also one of my beliefs-----check each day---way less fur damage---also les flags put up to the remaing beav.Want to spook some beav-----leave those beav laying there for 2,3 or 4 days. Buzz,how much fur damage takes place when using snares? Tom Olson
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Post by yota on Mar 24, 2005 16:01:34 GMT -6
Bog,
twenty four hour checks only, 330 vs a snare and I will beat you every time including less fur damage.
I tried to catch up w/ ya when you were still trapping via the phone.........I will catch up w/ ya sometime this year at a convention.
BTW, whats this two, three, or four day nonsense ?
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Post by Bogmaster on Mar 24, 2005 16:22:35 GMT -6
Buz,many states allow several days between checks when using body grippers. Read this complete post,you will undersstand more.Some on this thread,set for 2 full days,then started checking the third day.This is entirely legal,and this method is used by many trappers. Nothing what so ever wrong with it---just not my cup of tea.... By the way buzz---I have more than enough confidence in my 330 castor mounds to challenge your snares---but I do have a question for you---how can you do better than 100% ?? lmao Best set I ever had--17 beaver in 11 days---seems that runs a bit over 100%.So yes it can be done. Bring it on Buzz man--bring it on. By the way---HAPPY EASTER TO ALL. Tom
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Post by ltd on Mar 24, 2005 16:25:36 GMT -6
Neb. The beaver were snared and drowned so are beaver where not that bit up and we start trapping when the ice goes out . If you wait a week or 2 the beaver will start getting bit up . If the beaver are left on the bank alive thay will be so bit up they are not worth trapping. What I like about a snare is the beaver can work the set one night and you miss him. The next night he will work the same set where if you are using a leg hold and the trap snaps off in his face or you pinch him he will not work that set or any set with the same smell. The 330 is a great beaver trap but if you want to trap beaver in numbers you have to have out numbers of traps and the 330 is to costly to by and to have stollen. Have 60 330 and have had 30 stollen. I rather thay take a snare or 2. When we are in a place where there is alot of people and thay might see are stuff we will use a leg hold and set for a back foot this way are trap is down in the water and were are sliding the beaver out to drowned . Out of site out of mind. Trap of choice MB750 or Bridger #3 back foot is big that is the reason for the big trap. I've trapped coon and beaver for years. Now I'am trying to land trap mostly fox and bobcats. It will take me sometime to be sucessful at that. That is the reason for doing it . Sorry about the spelling. Tim
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Post by Bogmaster on Mar 24, 2005 16:55:46 GMT -6
Tim,I am not a road trapper.I have never had a 330 stolen.Now I know some guys that trap the same area as me--they trap the roads and they do get traps stolen. I take the time and effort to get back in ,which is the main reason I am left alone. I do take a few beaver---all in 330s.Now I have about 10 doz 330s ,but I am afraid to set more than 2 or 3 dozen at a time.Because I am afraid of someone stealing them?Nope.If I set out 120 330s I would fully expect 100 to 110 beaver the next day.I am by myself in the spring,I dont like to skin more than 20 in an evening.I prefer to keep it at 10 to 12 an evening. Also all beaver I take ,get put in a freezer after skinning.It is hard to get 15 to 20 frozen in a night let alone more.Freezer space and getting things frozen solid ,is always a problem in the spring. I fully agree with you on the spring fighting,I always figure I have 2 weeks of good looking beaver.Then the fighting starts. Boy I do love trapping those flat tails. Tom
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Post by yota on Mar 24, 2005 17:24:13 GMT -6
#1 Tom,
Your 100% is inaccurate .........I will not believe that your sets , every one of them end up w/ a beaver in them in a normal given time.
Sorry, cant believe that .
I believed as you did for a long time, always crediting the dead sets as no interest from the beaver , till I started replacing 330s w/ snares after a dead set with quick results in the snares.
I have posted many pics in the past , the only way to prove my point is to show you personally. You have a invitation as you know...........just let me know.
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Post by ltd on Mar 24, 2005 17:53:27 GMT -6
Bogmaster all the ground that is trapped I have permission on but there is so many people that it just is a matter of time before thay start taking are stuff. If I could I would set 330 everwhere but the snare is just to low profile for them to see and cheap. I float the river and there is people who know that I'am out there and thay look for my stuff. The game warden know who it is and all the fur buyers know me and know who is stilling me beaver but how do you prove it. There is a 3 mile stretch that I leave alone because he will steal everthing and I have permission he don't. I spend more time running down land owners than I do trapping when I start a new line. Then you have all this land lined up and people don't like you because you got all the land tied up. You got off your butt and worked at it while thay where drinking beer. There is other river systems that I have not had thing stolen on but the river that is close to home there is alot of people on . You bring those 10dozen and we will go beaver trapping . Is all it will take is one airboat going down the river looking at cranes and you could kiss them good by
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Post by Bogmaster on Mar 24, 2005 17:59:20 GMT -6
Buzz,sorry to burst your bubble.Very few if any of the traps I set dont make a catch.If I didn't think they would.I sure wouldn't waste my time setting them. About the only time a specific trap doesn't make a catch,is when I have already caught them in another trap.As you know I gang set,at times I have put out more traps than there was inhabitants. Hard to catch a beav --when there aint none.And at times if I am doing cleanup,I will ste more than 1 trap---even though there isnt a beav for every trap---other than those scenarios---every trap I set catches at least one beav. Not trying to be a smart ass buzz--just being truthful. When setting up a pond Iexpect every trap to hold a catch the next day. Now lakes are differant,I dont go looking for lodges--so most of my lake sets are no where near one. I can only catch what comes by.Here again almost each and every trap set on a lake makes at least one catch---some many---I just have to wait a bit ,for some of the traps to fulfill their duty. Keith let me know what conventions you will be attending---we have a lot of talking to catch up on. Tom
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Post by yota on Mar 24, 2005 18:38:43 GMT -6
Tom,
God love ya but I aint like ya . I never ever gang set anything but fox.
Someday we gotta do it.............it will be fun and a learning experience on both ends.
You aint burstin my bubble by the way........I know what works and what dont. Im a fur trapper for a mere few short months only because i skin them and get payed for it to boot. The rest of the year I just kill them and learn from my mistakes.
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Post by ltd on Mar 24, 2005 21:23:45 GMT -6
Bogmaster I float the river and there is know way to set 330 . There is to many people on the river . You bring those 10 Dozen, will go out and set them, don't worry about skinning them the first airboat going down the river will have the 330 and the beaver. I spend more time running down land owners than I do trapping . I have permission thay don't yet thay steal you blind and the Game Warden knows this but you have to catch them in the act he can't be everwhere. If you have never had a trap stollen from you, you don't set enough sorry to say your time is coming.
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Post by Bogmaster on Mar 24, 2005 22:54:20 GMT -6
ltd,I am not setting enough traps to get them stolen? I set them to catch animals.not hand out to idiots.Been doing this for a bit over 40 years,I have learned a few things. I lost some traps to thieves when I was a youngster,I fixed that problem then when my line was much smaller---set in the evening and pulled them in the dark before school.A lot more work,but I kept my fur and traps. My early experience ,led me to be very cautious where I set.I dont road trap,I check and remove my catch every day.I have a very good relationship,not only with land owners but also the townships--it always helps to have eyes watching out for you. When I have to park on the road---my empty gun case is laid out on my dashboard for all to see---everyone knows what I am doing,but they also know I am armed. While I know I have been lucky---a person helps make some of his luck. Tom
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Post by yota on Mar 25, 2005 8:13:17 GMT -6
Tom,
I know of a few of them already but am unsure of the FTA, depends if Paul is makin a single run to that one.
NTA se
NTA ne
NC
probally ohio
Yes, we have a lot to catch up on.
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