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Post by Edge on Jan 11, 2005 15:23:12 GMT -6
**if you found that the slim locks sucked- I'm suspecting you are using them wrong.**
*I* sure am using them wrong cuz I wouldnt walk across the outhouse floor for a free truckload.
The first ones I made I used the wrong size cable;understood that one.
The next ones I made either there was a burr,the pinch wasnt open enough,the pinch was open too FAR...etc etc,,,,,,,,,
And the fur damage;holy crap;it was like a cheese grater.At first I was just glad they worked,but once I started seeing the hash marks....bye-bye.
Of the 3 kinds of locks I use,I am still using some of them after a dozen catches;both beaver AND coyote;I fail to see where the cost is a factor;a snare is basically a one time use item;if you cant afford to put locks on them,maybe snaring aint for you.And keeping in mind a DOZEN catches?That makes the most expensive lock out there quite affordable.
While I dont use choke springs;even if I could,I highly doubt I would give the slim another try;what I use works excellent,why bother?
More to the point,the Slim would be the last lock I would recommend to a newbie;but again,that is based on MY exoperience.
Edge
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Post by trappnman on Jan 11, 2005 15:32:50 GMT -6
As stated, many very experienced snare people love them-
I sell a ton of them to western and SW trappers with repeat orders every year....
I hate buckets- think they are junk- worse thing for coon refusals...yet I know guys that take 3,4, 500 coon in buckets only.
works for them cause they got the key...
I don't.
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Post by yota on Jan 11, 2005 15:56:19 GMT -6
Slim locks may be an excellent snare lock for some.......
beaver wise , unless you use them to snare under the ice , or use a drowning cable , they are pure hell on fur...........they lock down and have no mercy. A beaver that is dead from a snare w/ out drowning is one that will always go as damaged goods.
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Post by yota on Jan 11, 2005 17:02:33 GMT -6
My opinion...................
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Post by mike692 on Jan 11, 2005 17:09:07 GMT -6
Alright, Buzz, for those of us that are completely ignorant when it comes to snares, what kind of a lock is that?
BTW, good to see you posting again.
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Post by yota on Jan 11, 2005 17:37:21 GMT -6
that lock is a slim lock in the way in which I make them..........I like them alot and use them, just not when their fur can be utilized.
My opinion only........Rhiehart's reverse bend washer lock which is a relaxing lock is the ONLY lock to use when "live" type snares are used .......to me they have given the least amount of fur damage of any that I have tried.
Which include .....slim, sure and cam locks
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 11, 2005 19:22:20 GMT -6
Buzz thats the key, I sell very few beaver most are late spring ,summer caught beaver, and the ones I fall/winter snare I'm get little deduction for head snared. Now with that said, it takes a soild root the size of a cigar to choke down a 50lb beaver quickly have entanglement and you have saleble beaver, better yet neck snare those beaver and you should have little if any deduction on them as well. Edge have entagnlement and you will have dead coyotes with these locks, 5/64 7x7 works well on coyotes, better yet add the choke spring and it does make a differance or I wouldn't add them. Cost is a factor when running alot of snares, I like cam locks and use a bunch, but when I private fur trapped and snared coons and coyotes a penny saved was a penny earned. Exspecially when road side snaring. The slim is a good lock if given a chance and used in the "right" situations, open snaring coyotes or beaver nope, have entanglment and they work well, I like the low profile for fence crawl unders, and I use a smaller stop on the end,one 1/3 the size of a normal 5/64-3/32 nd aluminium stop. The key for me is on the 7x7 cable, I run nothing but cams on 1x19.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 11, 2005 20:04:42 GMT -6
that picture is how mine are- shows it quite well. Thanks for posting it. Glad to have you back. Stick around
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Post by Edge on Jan 12, 2005 4:44:00 GMT -6
**Edge have entagnlement and you will have dead coyotes with these locks, 5/64 7x7 works well on coyotes, better yet add the choke spring and it does make a differance or I wouldn't add them.**
I have entanglement,but as I stated before;choke springs are not an option here.Also is the fact that even much of my ADC fur is sold;not necessarily as prime goods,but sold neverthe less,I dont need fur scars.
Steve,I can appreciate that you sell slimlocks,but as in the rest of my posts you get facts and my experience;there is no way I would recommend this lock in any fashion,too many conditions and too many better options.
I would have no idea how many western or other trappers buy it,and great for them if they can use it effectively,but I believe the original poster is from PA.
Edge
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Post by trappnman on Jan 12, 2005 7:36:47 GMT -6
edge- if you don't like them- like you obviously don't- so be it. You and your snaring experiences are yours.
but- as I said, just like smaller cable, many snare people have different things they like and use successfully.
I reiterate- snare people like Newt Sterling have gone 100% to Slim Locks- Newt probally uses 1000s of snares a year and sells untold 1000s- all made with Slim Locks. And its been 4 years now that Newt has been doing this- apparently with success.
O'Gorman also sells Slim Locks-
Different strokes for different folks.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jan 12, 2005 21:42:11 GMT -6
I am like Buzz, I prefer the Reichart relaxing lock for beaver. It is a big lock that makes alot of contact with the fur of the critter. A lock with more surface area against the fur will dig in less thus less damage from the lock. I like my lock to be of the relaxing variety because the cable wont dig into the fur and leave a snare mark. I do the bulk of my snaring under ice so the need to choke him for dispatch isnt an issue. Here is how I make mine with a Reichart lock. I have been using the slim locks on some fox and IMHO for fox they are a good lock, fast and smooth if loaded. I have never caught a coyote or tried to catch a coyote with them so cant comment how they are for yotes. I have used them for underice beaver but I am sure they would be suitable. I just like a lock with alot of contact area. Personal preference. Here is how I make a slim lock snare.
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