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Post by lumberjack on Apr 20, 2004 11:58:04 GMT -6
I have run a pretty extensive line for coon and mink last year using carp and muskrat for bait in my pocket and cubby sets,and did pretty well with that setup.My question is,do you think it would hurt my production to just use fish oil or lure instead of the bait?(I really detest carrying the bait bucket around and thought lure or fish oil would be one way around that).It just doesnt seem right not having some eye appeal at the set.Anybody switch from bait to lure and if so,did you do as well?Thanks in advance.
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Post by mac on Apr 20, 2004 12:15:14 GMT -6
I am no expert but here goes. For coon I am not sure that it would matter. A good lure will really keep a raccoon working the hole.
Mink on the other hand hunt by sight a lot. I think that they may try to take a bait, even if they are not starved, due to their greedy nature. I really like the sight appeal of a fish or piece of fish. In fact I always have thought it was a poor idea to hide a fish in a pocket with grass etc.
I have found very few lures that will draw mink, despite what lure makers say. Some, yes. Many, no. Of course I do not live in one of the "Mink" states.
I could be wrong, it would not be the first time.
mac
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 20, 2004 14:03:24 GMT -6
I never use bait for Coon any more, a good lure will work just as good. For mink, I do use mice at times, especially on dry land sets, in a pocket I started using Fouineur last season, I had good results with it, when using it at a verticle bank, or at a pocket. Fouineur is one of Stef's concoctions ;D
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Post by trappnman on Apr 20, 2004 15:07:20 GMT -6
A lure will, in my opinion, do a better job on coon than bait- over the long haul.
I just don't think fish oil has the "punch" to work alone. If freezes for one thing- plus most commercial fish oil is very mild.
I made the descion to get rid of my bait bucket for coon several years ago, and have not gone back.
I mix an oz of lure to a quart of fish oil- the fish oil acts as a medium to allow liberal amounts of "lure" to be applied- the more surface area of the lure- the more it reaches out. A fish oil mix squirted in the pocket is my standard procedure.
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Post by mike692 on Apr 20, 2004 15:46:13 GMT -6
The only "oil" I use alone for coon is Newt's crab oil. Next year I'll try the procoon with the shellfish oil. I agree the fish oil is too mild.
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Post by Edge on Apr 20, 2004 17:55:30 GMT -6
I dont use bait in cubbies.....maybe shellfish oil,but I prefer to blind set or use a good natural cubby;which requires no bait .
The shellfish oil even stinks in the cold;so I dont see how that wouldnt work.
Edge
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 20, 2004 17:58:26 GMT -6
I bought some of Pauls Pressed Salmon Oil last year, I used it straight only 5 days, caught one mink and a freakin otter, which I had to release, after he took his frustrations out on my waders. Man they are strong and fast when alive in the trap. ;D
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Post by CoonDuke on Apr 20, 2004 18:35:52 GMT -6
I use shellfish oil/ fish oil mix at most of my coon sets. Super loud. I wanna give procoon/fish oil a try.
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Post by woody on Apr 20, 2004 18:36:17 GMT -6
This past season I used Shellfish oil in my pockets and it took some coon, in my cubbies I used that jellied fish oil or shellfish oil? i am not sure which it is ;D i put it on a Q-tip and stuck it in the ground besides the cubby, I had Blackie's Blend, Fur King in the cubbies and on a couple of cubbies I used Tiger Shrimp I got from work ;D I had good success with both set ups  On my pockets I just squirted some shellfish oil up on the bank and let it run down into the water. I might use Shellfish oil this season but plan on using ProCoon exclusively ;D If I ever decide how I want to use it  woody |
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Post by Maineman on Apr 20, 2004 19:01:15 GMT -6
I'm a 1/4 part shellfish to 3/4 part fishoil guy on the pockets...If I'm going to bait which I do occasionally, I use jack mackrel... With all the hype about Pro Coon, I got to give it a try but at this point, Until I get to talk to some of you guys at the PTA, I'm still unsure HOW I want to mix or use it...
Got some thinking to do...
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Post by coonwhacker on Apr 20, 2004 22:42:34 GMT -6
I'm with coonduke 100% on this one.
mike
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Post by foxtail on Apr 21, 2004 18:06:10 GMT -6
I was putting the 1 oz of procoon in a qt of fish oil, and it was repelling the coon. It was so strong that it repelled me.
After I cut it down some more the coon started coming back.
Same thing happened with shellfish oil. I was using about 1 oz to a qt and it was so strong that I could not get the taste out of my mouth every time I made a set with it. (no, I wasn't eating it)
In the above situations, if I used bait only, I still got coon, but the combo was getting me nothing.
Problem is, I was making very few sets with bait only.
I do make a lot of sets with lure only and I think I like it as well as the bait/lure sets. Except that I was getting less mink and rats which I like to get.
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Post by dblcoil on Apr 21, 2004 18:47:14 GMT -6
has anyone ever used Ogorman's Oil Slick liquid bait? I've been considering mixing coon lure with it.
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Post by coonwhacker on Apr 21, 2004 19:01:38 GMT -6
foxtail, Maybe you are using too much lure at each set. I have used shellfish oil straight with no refusal problems. I am going to use shellfis oil mixed with fish oil and procoon mixed with fish oil for some variety. I will decide what is best.
mike
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 21, 2004 20:10:08 GMT -6
Mike, once you smell the Procoon, you will know what Fox is talking about, that stuff is PENETRATING, a real sinus opener ;D
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Post by trappnman on Apr 21, 2004 20:49:46 GMT -6
foxtail- in 2002- all my coon were taken on pure Procoon- no fish oil, no bait, no nothing but ProCoon on a cotton ball.
I never noticed any sign of the pure stuff repelling coon.
The only reason I put it in fish oil is ease in application and surface area.
Many ADC men use it straight all year long- see Mike's picture of 10 coon in 9 cage traps with pure ProCoon.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 23, 2004 6:29:26 GMT -6
I really belive It's the eye appeal caused by the hole that gets the mink to investigate and not what you put In It.
And all the bait and lure In the world won't put many mink on your boards if your not on location.
But Bait and lure can't hurt ,I just think It's way over rated for pure mink trapping, and It will draw in every coon that comes down the creek. When mink were big money and coon were worth very little we didn't want any coon so we used very little or no bait or lure and still caught plenty of mink.
The Beav
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Post by trappnman on Apr 23, 2004 7:25:06 GMT -6
Without a doubt beav, without a doubt.
For mink- I think an unbaited pocket has just as much appeal as a baited pocket.
The biggest secret in mink trapping is KNOWING where a mink would go- its just that simple.
When someone talks baited/lured pockets- I automatically think coon, not mink.
When I do like using a mink lure is late season- Jan, early Feb. Then I like a little gland type lure stuck under roots, etc- I always seem to see a little bump in my take the first couple of checks after a luring up.
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Post by foxtail on Apr 23, 2004 17:21:15 GMT -6
I'll buy that.
But I like to get the coon. If I wanted only mink, I think I would go with blind sets and the BE set.
I like the bait to cause the mink to dance around like a 4 year old on Mt Dew. ;D
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 23, 2004 21:30:13 GMT -6
I like the bait to cause the mink to dance around like a 4 year old on Mt Dew. ;D LMFAO!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D Guess you have kids ehhh?? ;D |
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