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Post by Lone trapper on Apr 30, 2007 10:15:23 GMT -6
I've cut some of those "no good" glands before and they smell pretty catty... Especially the hock glands.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 30, 2007 14:57:40 GMT -6
so explain just what is a hock gland. I maintain there is no such thing. I will agree after skinning a cat your hands and cigarettes or anything you touch smells like a cat, but I don`t use them for lure making. it`s kind of like smelling 10 different jugs of pee to determine if they are all good. heck, after the second wiff everything smells great, well, at least you can`t tell them apart anymore.
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Post by Lone trapper on Apr 30, 2007 16:23:12 GMT -6
There's a little pocket under the knee of the bobcat. It's located there. Looks like a pocket of fat.
LT
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 30, 2007 17:34:21 GMT -6
yep, it called a popliteal lymph node. no smell to it more than any other parts of the cat tho.
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Post by CoonDuke on Apr 30, 2007 17:46:40 GMT -6
Anybody ever find the "Violet" gland in foxes? I believe it is also called the supracaudal gland. It is located at the dark patch 3/4 way up the fox's tail. I could never locate the gland, but it is supposed to be important in fox communication. Google it for an interesting read.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 30, 2007 17:50:55 GMT -6
it`s that greasy spot on the top of the tail an inch or two out. it`s diffuse in the skin and you can`t dissect it out, need to just cut the whole patch off. I save them on summer fox, mangys etc. speaking of which, that mange smell, you know if you`ve smelled it. it`s a killer lure. I`m serious, a real killer smell for red fox. I save all that too. I never told anyone this before, not even steve craig and I tell him everything.
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Post by CoonDuke on Apr 30, 2007 18:11:14 GMT -6
No wonder I couldn't find it if it is in the skin. I wonder if it would work to tincture out the fur "patches" in fox urine...like some guys tincture deer tarsal glands in deer urine...
Yes, that mange smell is unmistakeable. I like the smell of fox, but that mange smell kinda sickens me.
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Post by psb1011 on Apr 30, 2007 18:17:17 GMT -6
Bob,was reading somewhere,or was told,or asked if You catch fox in a catch circle that caught a mangy fox.Some have said no.I could only smile.
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Post by CoonDuke on Apr 30, 2007 18:28:45 GMT -6
John Graham says in his video that it is hard to catch another fox in a mangy catch circle.
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Post by psb1011 on Apr 30, 2007 18:40:42 GMT -6
Some areas got some wierd fox,or mabe I got wierd fox.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 30, 2007 19:10:25 GMT -6
I never found fox hard to catch in a mange circle. any fox circle, mange or clean is a bonus for me. I don`t know where grahm gets that idea. psb, well if your fox are wierd, hey, like the good news bad news joke, i.e. your fox are weird, the good news is there arlots of weird ones, like 1200 some!
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Post by SteveCraig on Apr 30, 2007 19:33:24 GMT -6
Good info like that is like manure.....................
It aint any good unless you spread it around!!!!
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Post by Bob Jameson on Apr 30, 2007 21:15:19 GMT -6
I have caught other fox and coyote in sets that have held mangy bad and mangey a little fox and coyote over the years. No doubt they smell and it is a definitive recognizable odor. But the fox or coyote odor still attracts others it seems.If it does repel some to a degree that is a hard one to call. I know in several such cases over the years it doesnt seem to be an issue to a canine all the time.
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Post by bobwendt on May 1, 2007 5:44:18 GMT -6
heck, the way it spreads is a mangy one boinks a clean one usually. you often see a bald coyote and clean one running togather, or a mangy fox and a clean one. love must be smell-less.
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Post by trappnman on May 1, 2007 8:55:43 GMT -6
very interesting little tidbit.....
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Post by trappnman on May 1, 2007 8:57:21 GMT -6
heres a question- is there a particular reason why some areas just smell "foxy"? I trap a few rock type areas, and you can just smell the fox musk as you walk through it.
I always thought it was a muted urine/anal gland smell...?
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Post by bobwendt on May 1, 2007 9:06:18 GMT -6
I think they have areas they pee and lay up a lot. I had a big rock pile in wyoming up on the sweetwater that had the most fox turds I had ever seen, easily 4-5 BUSHELS. no doubt a big litter hung out there all summer. a guy could smell that place from a hundred yards off. I thought o-boy and set it up heavy and never did catch a fox there. doing a little detective work I saw lots of fresh coyote tracks in the area. it was fall break up time and I figured some coyotes filtered in and blew my fox plumb out of the country. and I think it literally happened that day I found the place as some of the turds were still wet.
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Post by trappnman on May 1, 2007 10:55:56 GMT -6
Bob- it was them seeing YOU come into the area.... ;D
couldn't resist- if you are coming through on 90, let me know and maybe we can grab lunch, dinner
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Post by bobwendt on May 1, 2007 12:46:58 GMT -6
I80 barring south storms, same milage with in 2-3 miles no matter the route. I80 or I90. but I90 thru s dakota is a hassle to buy diesel at times, so I go I80 unless southern route storms force me north. I90 is more scenic, but the fuel issue.....
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Post by rk660 on May 1, 2007 13:52:27 GMT -6
Bobs a man on a mission when on the road trapping, heck ive stood on side of I-80 with sandwhich and coffee cause I know he's been up last 2 days straight, try to flag him down and stop, he just honks and drives on by......ha ha
Bob you ever use what one guy called "coyote county"? Soak coyote hide in bucket of water for 3 days, then save stinky water you wring out of hide, and mix with urine. Like fresh stinky coyote/wet dog smell to the 3rd power. Ive never used it much, but think it would be a good natural smell when needed.
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