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Post by trappnman on Apr 12, 2007 19:05:10 GMT -6
someone tells you- that they tried such and such lure, and it was no good and they didn't catch one animal on it...
what would you think?
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Post by furman on Apr 12, 2007 19:19:32 GMT -6
Depends who they are and where they is.
Who – if they know what they are talking about
Where – animals don’t react the same all across country.
(Except coon and opossum ;D)
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Post by psb1011 on Apr 12, 2007 19:38:40 GMT -6
I had people tell me they have no luck with the lures I use extensively.Even local people.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 12, 2007 19:40:33 GMT -6
I've tried many, many lures- and I have to say I've caught fur on all of them.
some are better than others, a few are outstanding- but all worked to a degree or another.
I can't say I ever used a lure, with which I caught nothingi
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Post by HappyPlumber on Apr 12, 2007 20:01:31 GMT -6
Steve, I am sure that there are some lures that really are no good. There are some ingredients that are good attractors for all furbearers. I'm thinking that there are some ingredients that would also work to repell some animals, just like you can buy some stuff that repells mosquitos. There has been so may good ideas brought out on this forum as far as bait and lure that anybody that frequents this site could or should be an expert if they wanted to be. HP
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Post by wheelie on Apr 12, 2007 20:30:17 GMT -6
First reaction is I want to smell this so called bad lure......... But would factor Who it is that is telling me and if I've tried the same lure before.
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Post by coydog on Apr 12, 2007 20:32:49 GMT -6
Natural instinct , I would be less likely to try a lure if someone told me it didnt work for them. (reputable, and trapping in similar habitat/prey base) Reality, it would probably be a fine lure if I tried it.
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Post by lumberjack on Apr 12, 2007 20:38:29 GMT -6
I really dont think any smell could repulse an animal.
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Post by foxtail on Apr 12, 2007 20:44:46 GMT -6
I really dont think any smell could repulse an animal. Wanna bet? The first year that I tried Stef's coon lure, I couldn't catch crabs in a whorehouse. I think I was using too much of it and it was repelling the coon. In fairness, I really didn't make enough sets with it to give it a fair trial, but the places I used it went dead until I used something else. Once I reduced the amount I was using, I got coon. I have seen other examples of scent repulsion, but I used Stef's lure as the example here because , 1) Stef is here and no one can say I am bad mouthing his lure then, and 2) the story is true.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Apr 12, 2007 20:44:58 GMT -6
I must say honestly that I would find it difficult to say that any commercially available lure or homemade one for that matter couldnt be used to catch animals with that product.
I have heard such said about this one or that ones products over the years. A good basic lure or bait put into the hands of a seasoned trapper I have no doubt he is going to hit paydirt with that product. Whether it is considered the best as compared to another that is a totally different matter.
But a failure to produce period and not catch anything ever I would have to challenge or consider the source and ask many questions as to this persons set types and trap check nite totals using this product over a broad area etc. Not to mention his true credibility. If it has an odor it will attract something.
If it doesnt work most likely there just wasnt much there to catch or his locations were so off the mark he just never connnected in that time frame. Just too much to consider why it could have resulted in a non catch scenario.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 12, 2007 22:13:43 GMT -6
A good post Bob
I tend to agree
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Post by Zagman on Apr 12, 2007 22:40:47 GMT -6
Lures are like duck decoys.....if they appeal to the trapper/hunter, than they seem to work. The animals/ducks probably care less than we do.......
Zagman
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Post by flattail on Apr 12, 2007 22:54:51 GMT -6
For me here in ND I would have to say confidence in a lure or bait is a big thing I have tried them all over the years and have had good success with them and some not. The ones that didn't work was maybe not the lure or baits fault to many thing could have happened,wrong wind, coyote didn't come etc.etc. So I stick with lures and bait that work for my over the years I get all mine from GaryJepson who only live 14 miles down the road. Yes I know he sold his lure and bait to fur country lures. But he still make up a bunch every year good medicine. Just my 2 cents worth
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Post by wcollinge2000 on Apr 13, 2007 1:23:03 GMT -6
I have never used lure except for this season, I might have tried it years ago but that is neither hear or there. I also only used lure on three critter's two were from the weasel family the other was beaver . They both worked . for one I will say it did not repel that being mink (I made this one from fresh glands and other scents I mixed but did not age) . The weasel(Ermin) did attract . and the beaver did attract. the beaver would have been one that became trap shy and the first night I added lure to the set I didn't have a trap shy beaver any more OK yes I did have him but in the freezer. I did this at another site that I had a trap shy beaver at and same result . It was almost identical scenarios slightly different sets but result was the same. both were the last one at the site and both were trap shy I was setting them as they were cutting down trees in peoples yards . two different colonies. I will employ lures next season more and for more types . I will for the first time use them for coon .
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Post by robertw on Apr 13, 2007 7:14:03 GMT -6
Guys, I think your wrong....Granted you can catch critters on just about anything, even human urine and excretement but....You just aren't going to catch very many!
There are definitely some lures on the market (maybe just bad batches) that have rotted down to where they absolutely have no appeal to an animal. Maybe these lures were stored wrong, left out in the sun for years, the synthetic ingredients broke down or what ever but they do exist!
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Post by shagnasty on Apr 13, 2007 7:18:45 GMT -6
there are lures out there that dont do anything on my line right beside other lures that rack em up. not mentioning names on either end but ive seen it side by side enough to where i know which ones to use and which ones not to use. some are so good it is like stealing and should be illegal.
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Post by SteveCraig on Apr 13, 2007 7:55:22 GMT -6
Charles Dobbins was "testing" some of my early lures many years ago. 1979 I believe. Charley was always brutally honest about such things, and that was what I wanted. We were in Elisabethtown Ky. at the FTA National, and he had used several of my lures and baits the previous winter and spring. He lined them up on my table, and pointed to each one and said"these are all very good lures, your Bait is really great, this beaver lure is fantastic, and this coyote /fox lure is pure junk!" I thanked him for his truthfulness, and I continued to use that coyote/fox lure on my own lines,as I had caught over 100 fox and coyotes on it the winter before. I just never made it available to the public. And i never said a word to Charley about it either. Charley was a great trapper and lure maker. Why did he find it a poor lure, and it worked good for me? Who knows?
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Post by Jeffrey on Apr 13, 2007 8:31:03 GMT -6
Sometimes it's not that they don't attract, it's what they attract. This one particular lure I've used, turned out to be one of the best porcupine lures ever, but it was designed to call everything, or at least that's what it claimed. I just found it funny that the porcupines out raced everything else to the sets, and that was all I ever caught with that stuff.
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Post by shagnasty on Apr 13, 2007 9:14:15 GMT -6
i was referring to target animals. trash is unwanted, i dont need to see something in all my traps, i want the right things, and there are lures that are far better than others.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 13, 2007 9:22:32 GMT -6
tell me the name of that porky lure. I have great need for it, although I`ve not found anything yet that wouldn`t catch them.
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