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Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Mar 15, 2007 20:29:44 GMT -6
Seen this mentioned on another thread and didnt want to poach that thread so will ask it here. I have seen this mentioned time after time and am curious as to the meaning of using the proper lure at different times of year. Give me some scenarios as to where this statement applies?  ?? |
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Mar 15, 2007 20:45:23 GMT -6
hmmmmmmm i will give it a try...
well lets see winter weather requires a louder lure to get the smell out...early fall a curiosity lure because there is plenty of food and warmer weather to disperse the smell farther...early winter breeding season would be probually your best with a gland lure or a food base lure...thats what im getting from all the talk about lure useage anyways...
now im not saying that gland,loud skunk,piss,food,etc lures dont work all year long but from what i have seen this year on my line is that if i use a loud lure early when temps are say 40+degrees at night i was seeing refusals...so i went with a curiosity lure/bait and connected...when the weather got colder like freezing thats when the loud lure/bait came out and did well with it...i was done with K9's b4 breeding season so didnt use any gland lure...hope im close to getting it right....lol
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Post by Stef on Mar 15, 2007 20:49:09 GMT -6
Me, I just do the opposite...
Loud call, glands, bait and urine etc in the fall and early winter ( to Christmas)
Real Winter (snow conditions) and cold... All I use is Glands, urine and large bait. More and more blind sets too and snares
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Post by billkasten on Mar 16, 2007 5:42:49 GMT -6
Maybe I'm missing something but I've been using fairly loud lures alone or with urine all season with fairly good results. The only thing I do is very the amount of lure with the weather . When its warm I use a smaller amount then when its cold. I seldom use any bait. I don't catch many skunks,but do get several oppussum and an ocasional coon. I try to set out in a field instead of on the edge .
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Post by redcoyote on Mar 16, 2007 7:08:08 GMT -6
Thats why i set multiple sets at a location. i let them choose what they are in the mood for that day. a smell for every occasion!
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Post by billkasten on Mar 16, 2007 7:11:03 GMT -6
That's right Red I use two sets and two different lures . Sometimes only one with urine .
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Post by Steve Gappa on Mar 16, 2007 7:12:37 GMT -6
when I needed summer lures for coyotes, I of course had no "summer lures". But since its not uncommon to have opening week or so of coyotes come in with dry, hot weather- and my normal lures worked just fine in those conditions, I figured I'd just use my regular lures.
So I did. Same lures, same amounts.
No difference.
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Post by foxtrapperpat on Mar 16, 2007 8:37:19 GMT -6
I use regular lures fall and skunk base lures winter.
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Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Mar 16, 2007 10:31:45 GMT -6
Same old same old so far , wheres all this secret voodoo stuff as to why and when? I have my particular lures I start with and only change when the animals tell me it is time to change , but that has varied from year to year , depending on competition , population levels , humidity levels , and not a whole lot to do with temperatures except when extreme one way or the other. So give me the formula to decide which lure to use , I am still curious? ? |
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Post by shagnasty on Mar 16, 2007 10:33:06 GMT -6
i will tell you via phone.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 16, 2007 13:03:40 GMT -6
none of this "tell you via phone'
if its personal, call him, don't announce it
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Post by ryanvo on Mar 16, 2007 13:22:46 GMT -6
I always have about 15 different brands of lure. Back in the day when I first started I thought I would figure it out and knock it down to 4 or 5, but always wanting to try different brands,or my own special recipes. I half to agree with Red also I give them as much of a choice as possible all season long. I guess I figure I wont half to worry about lure burn out that way. I dont know my 2cents
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Post by Bob Jameson on Mar 16, 2007 15:53:48 GMT -6
In reading everyones ideas and thoughts its obvious there is no set rules or stone written products that must be or should be used. If you are on the game, know the animals,can make some decent sets on locations, and have the work ethic its a done deal.I have always used a variety of sets and lures/baits and done well with them all for the most part. Food lures, gland types , loud call lures, bait , urine etc. They all work. Some are just more productive at times then others for a number of reasons. Presentation with odor will stop many an animal in its tracks in general. Granted in certain individual cases some may show no interest for what ever reason in a particular set up presentation. Temperature can affect an animals reaction and interest in some lures and baits. Time of year is another variable that must be considered.Amount used can and does control animal reactions to a great degree. More or less amount applied can often turn things around with respects to animal response to an odor. Gland and food, Gland and urine, Strong skunk in a food blend, urine only. All will attract a pile of animals year round with a good presentation. One doesnt know for sure if its the set the animal is refusing or the odor at times.Or is it the combination that is presented together that is the problem. Recognition and association.That is one of the challenges of trapping determining the reasons for animal responses.It may be a positive or a negative response. Then make adjustments as necessary. Of course, depending on ground conditions there are animals that may have visited the set that you never knew was there and just kept on trucking. Just lots of variables once again. Use what you like and what has worked for you in the past and experiment if you feel the need with other types of product. There can be homemade concoctions as simple as fish oil only or straight castor or a mix of both with a spike of skunk in one batch and none in another and you will catch lots of game year round. Many times it is a matter of good sense in the amount applied and in what manner. Then its just repeated over a considerable area. Then it is just trapline maintenance. Robotics. Jim you are a very good trapper and I know you know the ropes. Yet you are still looking for the holy grail?   |
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Post by Steve Gappa on Mar 16, 2007 15:59:16 GMT -6
Of course, depending on ground conditions there are animals that may have visited the set that you never knew was there and just kept on trucking
THATS why I hate snow..... LOL
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 16, 2007 16:07:46 GMT -6
Skunk based call lures in the spring and early summer I use only away from the trap set, like on a bleached cow skull etc, as it attracts the skunks,porcupines too much to use directly at the set. I do this if I don't think I'm right on location and use the cow skull contrast and the loud lure to bring the coyotes up closer to my more mellow sets. This has helped cut down on the amount of skunks and porcupines I catch. I will put this from 10-30 yrds up wind of my sets.
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Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Mar 16, 2007 17:21:00 GMT -6
Bob J. It was just a theoretical question cause I have seen this phrase mentioned Sooooooooooooo many times over and over again . So being the curious dog that I am , I thought I would like to see everyone elses thoughts on this. And after you seen my furshed , you know i like to play around with a "few" different lures and see reactions , but pretty much with the old nose test can tell if it is what I am looking for anymore. then the real test is one on one with my old standbys.I can tell you this though , I REALLY like one of yours after this season. LOL
Steve , thats why I love snow, it humbles me. But I also , time allowing , take the time to backtrack the animal and then to follow his tracks a bit after bypassing my set to see his curiosity level.there arent too many that have no reaction , but some do. I hate the ones that do the old beeline then sidestep and roll. Always scartch my head at the ones that circle the set then sit down for awhile just short of the set , then leave , only to start back then finally on their way or they finally get brave enough to go back and get caught. Have been humbled plenty , but still like seeing it.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Mar 17, 2007 6:02:06 GMT -6
the one thing that always makes me wonder.......
you get a coyote that walks by one set within a foot or 2- never hesitates, never varies- then 30 feet away, heads right to an "identical" set and bang!
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Post by huntinglonewolf on Mar 17, 2007 6:16:41 GMT -6
I can tell you one thing, I started trapping coyotes on the 13th of nov. and used the bait I made and was catching coyotes and it was in the 70s and after a week I used the same bait with skunk added to it and caught more coyotes and the temp was still in the 70s. I used the bait with skunk the rest of the season and did really good. Caught 116 coyotes in 21 days. What I seen was warm or cold the bait with the skunk was the ticket.
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Post by Stef on Mar 17, 2007 8:50:02 GMT -6
I think this thread turned to be a canine lure usage thread...LoL
If we're talking other animals.... it could be lot different.
Stef
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Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Mar 17, 2007 8:55:35 GMT -6
Hey Marty , bring that bait out here once and watch what happens. I know the bait you used and use it with good success , but not everywhere. It is not a one size fits all application, which experience will show you. The easy lines , you cant do anything wrong , the hard lines , sometimes seems you cant do anything right. But if you keep switching and trying harder , most times it works out.
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