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Post by maka on Jan 8, 2007 17:58:30 GMT -6
O.K.
Checked a set to day (stepdown dirthole)
Trap pan was visible, the rock I was using for backing (10lbs) was rolled over and hole was dug out from back.
There were tracks every were except on my pan.
Thr rock was covered in hair.
I figured he rolled on the set and that is what moved the rock and brushed the dirt off the top of the set. Once the rock was moved he simply dug from the back. The rock actually was moved toward the trap, so from the backside was the only way he could get the set anyway.
1. Is my thinking correct in what I think happened??
I remade the set as it was exactly. I also added another trap about a foot behind the rock (backside). I also added a flat set pee post set about 20 ft away.
2. Was I correct to remake the sets like this??
Thx
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jan 8, 2007 20:55:02 GMT -6
As far as what happened, hard to say. Just one thought, wouldn't rolling on the set push the rock away?
JC is an interesting man- he says little things that really make you wonder a bit. We were talking about this very thing- a snapped trap and tracks all over. JC asked- "does it have to be the same coyote?"
In other words- the uncovered trap and all the tracks- might be 2 different yotes....
In any case- since the trap wasn't snapped, I always figure no harm, no foul. I'd reset it exactly like you did.
As far as the "stinger" trap, I never do such, but many I know do with success. I'm more apt to put in a new set if continued digging.
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Post by maka on Jan 9, 2007 6:12:24 GMT -6
59 views and only one reply c'mon guys help a newbie out.
thanks for you advice Steve. I am assuming by JC you mean J.C. Conners.
I never even thought it could have been more than one coyote. The stone was moved about 18 inches and completely flipped over.
The whole thing is Steve I am just a newbie at this trapping game and even newer to coyote trapping. Howeever I am very keen when it comes to animals. Been hunting 26 of my 33 years.
Now after saying how keen I am and yada yada yada. I will tell you I was driving home when the pieces came together and I realized he was rolling on the set.
When I was there I just thought I had a digger so I set it back up as such.
I realize now that by rolling on and moving the rock he actually made it impossible to work the set from the trap side.
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Post by ohiyotee on Jan 9, 2007 6:45:08 GMT -6
Did you have lure or bad urine on the rock? Tell us about your lure usage. I would remake ,With out the trap let him role all he wants, since the trap was not sprung why risk the education by putting back the trap and having him roll again and getting hide caught. and then a second set , for me it would just be a flat or a poke hole with just some other lure , probably a good gland lure, down a deep deep poke hole. greg
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Post by 17HMR on Jan 9, 2007 6:53:59 GMT -6
Im not sure that rolling could move and flip over a #10 ten pound rock, I think digging and nose rooting could. I think your stinger trap will connect, it has worked for me a few times with troubles like that.
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Post by tonymalone on Jan 9, 2007 7:18:05 GMT -6
I'm not the calibre coyote trapper as most of these guys, but I do catch my share of coyotes, and when I have a coyote that uncovers trap or part of it, and then digs in from back or side, it is usually because of dirty trap, dip not cured enough, if dip used, messed around and handled with lured glove or hand, or traps just layed on something unintentional, pan cover has odor, etc., rolling backing,they sometimes work holes very agressive, and if backing gives they will move it, I would try clean trap, in a new set 4 ft. away. just my 2 cents.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 9, 2007 8:42:36 GMT -6
tony- good points, but you left out what to me is the #1 reason for uncovering a trap- differnt texture, color, etc of pattern so that it stands out.
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Post by tonymalone on Jan 9, 2007 8:55:46 GMT -6
Steve , youre right ,I did leave that out , and I agree ,I ussually when using dry dirt of a different type or color try to sift aleast alittle from site on the pattern to blend in and yes I do thank that makes a difference,
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Post by ohiyotee on Jan 9, 2007 9:09:42 GMT -6
I disagree in this situation it is obvious that pattern color had nothing to do with this situation . From what maka describes it is clear that this is an Oder situation . I have never had a yote roll hard enough to leave fur that would have been caused by color of the pattern. That yote liked the smell and wanted to take it with him. Probably to much lure in the wrong place. The trap was uncovered simply by the amount of activity at the set. greg
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jan 9, 2007 9:30:34 GMT -6
I didn't say rolling...I said uncovering.... ;D
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Post by ohiyotee on Jan 9, 2007 10:39:22 GMT -6
"I didn't say rolling" Yes i know that, but Maka did and wanted the answer to his problem. I don't think from the evidence that the trap was uncovered from a pattern problem . so why referance that at all. greg
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jan 9, 2007 20:55:32 GMT -6
because greg- on this forum free ranging is what we want and encourage.
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Post by trappngreys on Jan 10, 2007 0:28:20 GMT -6
i would remake the set, then put in a flat set or two with nothing but a couple drops of urine.
i think you had too much lure or using to strong of lure. also your trap may have wiggled a bit when it stepped in the pattern the first time. i think that causes them to dig from the back also.
it will be hard to catch him in the same set i have had them scratch the dirt off the trap seemed like every other night til i caught him. usually a flat set with nothing or a little bit of urine would hammer him pretty quickly.
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jan 10, 2007 11:42:32 GMT -6
trappinggreys- good post. I do differ with you on one point and thats rolling because of too much or too strong a lure. I just don't believe n this.
I believe a canine rolls in something because of a trigger. Some lures trigger this response, some don't. The amount of the odor, shouldn't matter.
I do believe that domestic dogs show us a lot. Take rolling. If your dog finds a spot that he rolls on- he'll roll on that spot every time, long after you or me can smell anything or indeed see anything. But every time- coming to that spot, he'll drop that front shoulder and roll. Whatever is there...no matter how strong or how faint, is tripping that instinctive trigger to roll. And he rolls, in my opinion, for one reason, and thats to transfer scent. Either his scent to the location, or whatever is on that location to him.
I just believe that the amount of lure, isn't really relevant to the ACTIONS of a canine at the set. WHAT the lure contains, is what is important.
Castor for example, for me gets more rolling than other things. My dog also, prefers rolling where beaver have been laying- yet on rats he has the tendency to want to carry them away, canines he just sniffs at and urinates, same with coon. Mink will sometimes get a roll.
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Post by maka on Jan 10, 2007 16:22:58 GMT -6
Wow
That is just what I was looking for.
You guys just gave me lots to look at while at the set next time it happens.
For lure I was using Lenon's Super All Call. Caven's Hiawatha valley for bait.
I did have alot of lure there. Maybe 1/2 tsp or so.
I am pretty sure he was rolling because there was thick long hair on the rock and surroundings.
Steve, you really got me thinking about this 2 coyote thing from. JC
The 1st coyote could have rolled and cleared of the pan with his fur and the second could be all the prints. Seeing the trap uncovered could have been the reason why there was tracks every where except on the pan!
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Post by trappngreys on Jan 10, 2007 22:22:17 GMT -6
steve i agree with you the ingredients of a lure will make them roll sometimes no matter how much or how little you put in the hole. i think some just like to roll your set just to piss you off lol ;D
i have had greys roll on yote gland lure at flatsets, why i don't know. i have caught a lot of greys in that very same set up trying to catch yotes. i use the same amount at every set. i guess those few greys just wanted to roll.
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