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Post by alfa04 on Apr 27, 2005 16:44:04 GMT -6
i am looking if they are any wolf trapper on coyote `R`us
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Post by trappnman on Apr 27, 2005 17:14:31 GMT -6
alfa- there are several, but they don't check in all the time.
musher for one, Dusty for another.
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Post by alfa04 on Apr 27, 2005 19:07:01 GMT -6
thanks for the anwser trappnman
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 27, 2005 19:12:26 GMT -6
I caught two wolves but I'm not a wolf trapper. Snares, large bait staions and deep snow.That's how I caught mine.
Beav
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Post by musher on Apr 28, 2005 8:57:10 GMT -6
Salut Alpha! Welcome!
The coyotes forum addy was recently posted on the Quebec site so some of the boys are over for a look see.
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Post by Stef on Apr 28, 2005 9:23:20 GMT -6
Salut Alpha... you'll find more coyote trappers here than wolf trappers.
Had a question for you at Northbay but did not have enough time to talk with you... Can you explain to us how you can target and catch a distinct member of a wolf pack.... How can you do this?
Stef
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Post by Furhandler on Apr 28, 2005 17:18:54 GMT -6
Salut Alpha... you'll find more coyote trappers here than wolf trappers. Had a question for you at Northbay but did not have enough time to talk with you... Can you explain to us how you can target and catch a distinct member of a wolf pack.... How can you do this? Stef I know the answer!!! I know the answer!!!
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Post by alfa04 on Apr 28, 2005 18:55:49 GMT -6
hy furhandler >:(you no the anwser so go a head i wil lok back monday because i wil try to go to my camps have a nice weekend
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Post by Furhandler on Apr 28, 2005 21:12:35 GMT -6
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Post by Stef on Apr 28, 2005 21:22:00 GMT -6
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Post by musher on Apr 29, 2005 10:51:30 GMT -6
What do you mean by "distinct" wolf? Do you mean targeting the alpha female/ beta male or targeting an individual wolf?
If it's targeting a specific wolf it is no different than trying to catch a specific fox or beaver. If you are refering to catching only wolves that are at a certain point in the heirarchy I don't see how it can be done. Wolf packs are very fluid at certain times of the year and a Beta is only one good fight away from becoming an Alpha.
This curious trapper wants to know more!
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Post by Furhandler on Apr 29, 2005 11:07:23 GMT -6
It's regarding catching the dominant male, Alpha will explain later...
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Post by Stef on Apr 29, 2005 12:26:27 GMT -6
I Want a know how to get the alpha female first trip Stef
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Post by musher on Apr 29, 2005 13:37:30 GMT -6
I can't help you! I know how to catch wolves but I don't know the catch the Alpha's only. They all hunt and they all mark their territory.
IF I could catch only the Alpha's I probably wouldn't do it.For a few reasons. One reason is that their fur is rubbed from breeding late in season. The most important reason is that they keep the pack going. When you harvest an Alpha you mess up the pack and it can take a while to regroup harmoniuosly. By not harvesting Alpha's you keep your wolf pack intact so you can harvest other wolves the following years.
If I were a moose hunter, I would think that the first sentence in the above paragraph was "crazy talk!"
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Post by Stef on May 1, 2005 10:05:51 GMT -6
To the top for Alpha... musher... I've heard that catching the alpha female in a pack will stimulate the reproduction ... I mean... there's a high chance of creating a "split" in the pack and sometimes... this create 2 alpha females and males, I mean " 2 different packs". So if my theory is right... we should get more wolves and more packs closer if we can kill the alpha female in a pack. What do you think? Stef
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Post by RdFx on May 1, 2005 12:31:41 GMT -6
Steph your theory is supported by here in northern Wi where the alpha female was taken out and two packs started to inhabit the general area the original pack was in but with distinct boundaries.. Now dont know if this would happen up by your area Steph but it did down here...
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Post by musher on May 1, 2005 13:13:20 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying and I can see it happening. However, as Kipling wrote, "the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack."
When an Alpha dies the pack is in turmoil. The wolves left over can be littermates and it could be a tough fight to determine Alpha. If an aunt/uncle is there from a previous litter than transition can be much smoother.
The loss of harmony in a pack also means that hunting suffers. The pack is no longer the same team. If a few wolves go lobo that means that the moose are much safer.
I think time of year is also a huge factor. Losing an Alpha in early fall might mean hungry pups in January. Wolves learn to hunt from each other. Losing Alpha in February probably isn't so bad. The smaller pack will be eating beaver in 2 months anyways and will have pups before the next winter. Of course, if they lack food they'll have fewer pups...
The number of packs isn't the real wolf number limiter. It is the food supply. Out west there are wolf packs with 2 Alpha females and 20 members. Their food supply is bison!
I placed a bear bait out this morning and came across fresh wolf tracks. It's been raining for a week and the print was nice and crisp. I figure it was hours old. It wasn't overly big and I was wondering if it was a female.
Where's Dusty? I'd like his input.
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Post by Dusty on May 2, 2005 10:49:25 GMT -6
They all hunt
Not true, at least here. Pups almost never kill moose. They're along for the ride!
The number of packs isn't the real wolf number limiter. It is the food supply. Out west there are wolf packs with 2 Alpha females and 20 members.
But the number of packs IS the real moose limiter! Packs of 20 wolves don't kill significantly more moose than packs of 4. They just leave less of the moose behind!
24 is the most I've personally seen in a pack. I know of a couple people who've caught on the order of 20 from what they thought to be a single pack, and have heard reliable reports of packs of 30-ish. Average is about 7. Smaller in SEAK where they're eating deer.
It isn't unusual at all for pups in the same litter to have different dads - it ain't only the A male that's getting some action! Sample sizes are fairly small so far, but my guess is that this is the norm.
Multiple females in the same pack having pups isn't all that uncommon either.
My not-so-scientific guess is, wolves aren't quite as organized as they've been made out to be. They might get a little more exited if you snag an Alpha, but I don't think it lasts long or has much effect on the number/type of kills they make.
I presume more wolves are killed in AK than anywhere else - that's just a guess. The number one cause of wolf mortality in AK - wolves.
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Post by musher on May 2, 2005 15:41:23 GMT -6
When I follow tracks and the pack fans out I assume they are all hunting. My snares have told me that the pups keep to the main/open more than the adults. Perhaps they are tagging along as you say. Packs in Quebec average 7.
When the snow is deep enough for them to be moose hunting the pups are big. They don't have any experience but the must be a major distraction to the moose. That can only help an adult grab a mouthful of butt.
It's true that a moose is only a meal or two due to scavengers. But I would expect a larger pack to have more successful hunts than a small pack. 8 wolves must wear down a moose much quicker than 4. I expect a pack of 20 to be able to take any moose most any time. On television I saw wild dogs tackling huge game. They are small canids but 50 of them is a severe problem to any critter. If I base myself on what I have seen and read concerning all those Isle Royale studies, food is the limiter both for the quantity of moose and the number of wolves.
I'd never heard about more than one father in a pack. That is very interesting. However, the loss of the Alpha male still means the loss of experience in teaching/feeding the pack.
Dusty: How important do you think "teaching" is to the overall health of the pack. Does the loss of the adults slowdown the learning curve of the pups? Does pack size affect success rate or energy use in kills?
I am curious about Alpha04's method.
Furhandler: Tell us what Alpha04 told you.
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Post by Furhandler on May 2, 2005 15:51:56 GMT -6
I sent you PM, you can translate for Alpha.
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