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Post by bobwendt on Feb 8, 2005 19:45:01 GMT -6
I have been spiking my coyote "nelson bait" with badger anals for years. I saw on another post ct35 mentioned coyotes attraction to badger catch rings. Any comments? I 3 link short chain cross staked 9 badger last month in ks- no losses, in fact no losses in similar rigs on maybe 500 badgers over the years, summer and winter. Oh, ya, and I release badger bare handed with no hog snare or head wamping in the summer with ease and regularity. Several on film in my next fox video due out next summer for those of you finding this hard to believe. Big old knarly badgers on fresh 24 hr. runs that huff and hiss, hump up and waddle off.
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Post by JakeLeg on Feb 8, 2005 19:51:23 GMT -6
Dang,I'd like to have about 12 of those badgers would make me a nice rug.....I only caught 1 this year but I think I have a Badger fetish I know they ain't worth much but I like em.Even like to get a good one to the taxidermist.
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Post by 3n on Feb 8, 2005 19:56:31 GMT -6
I remember a post Slim P. made were he said he released badgers by hand..pretty amazing Bob...
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Post by bobwendt on Feb 9, 2005 5:13:45 GMT -6
the poor badger gets a bum rap for being a bad guy and a lot are left dead in their holes as many summer trappers are too ignorant to just let him go. I`ve always liked them too, I guess because we essentially don`t have any back east and I never got over their newness yet, even tho I`ve been trekking west for about 35 years. Now, those badger anals, anyone else using them?
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Post by RdFx on Feb 9, 2005 6:45:53 GMT -6
Shucks Bob; Shhssssss. Cant you keep anything quiet! Ive used them same as otter glands in my canine lures.
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Post by bobwendt on Feb 9, 2005 9:14:20 GMT -6
yes, I have used mink/badger / otter interchangably in my lures for years also. Folks have no idea what a touch of otter does to a red fox anal based lure. magic in a bottle.
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Post by Wiley on Feb 9, 2005 9:43:12 GMT -6
Nope haven't used them but there should certainly be an attractiveness there considering how coyotes are always freeloading from the badgers hard work.
Sure fire coyote set is to bury a skunk in a badger circle.
~SH~
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Post by Stef on Feb 9, 2005 9:49:53 GMT -6
otter musk in k-9 scent attract to many moose in wooden roads of the north.
One thing for sure... Otter-Badger-Fisher-weasel are natuaral musk that can't be obtain in large quantity by commercial lure makers.
I prefer working now with sulfurous chemical compounds that I formulated my self.
Stef
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Post by bobwendt on Feb 9, 2005 11:41:29 GMT -6
stef, that can`t be true. I havn`t had any moose dinking with my sets in ks or indiana , ever! No elephant problems either as I have proof coyote pee scares elephants plumb out of the state (none here- my proof!) . There is a guy in n.y. that has come up with an artificial weasel musk that I hear is better than the real thing. I used your bait and lures you sent me when in ks. and they produced about the same as my regular stuff. It was a tough year to test anything what with the bad weather and mange and distemper killing everything off. If I didn`t trust myself I would have thought all lure and bait was not worth a flip. Problem was just no critters came by. That catchacoyote stuff turned real liquidy on me. Is that par? It started out nice and pasty and easy to apply ,and had to pour it by the end.
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Post by vttrapper on Feb 9, 2005 11:46:49 GMT -6
I tinctured some fisher and otter gland separatly, then spiked some coyote based lure with it. Worked well.
frank
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Post by bobwendt on Feb 9, 2005 12:57:07 GMT -6
frank knows how to use true coyote anal gland based lure , to great success, and it isn`t by pouring out buckets at a time.
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Post by vttrapper on Feb 9, 2005 16:26:13 GMT -6
Thanks Bob, of course, it was you, the E-Man, the Cur,books, others and many experiments that got me to the point of making good lures/baits.
Stef makes a good point on availability of certain glands. Since i make small batches and save every gland i can from my line and a few others it is not a problem. If I were to make big quantities it would cost a great deal more or I would have to use synthetic products which would require MORE experimenting till i got a product close to being right.
Now i just have to find time to trap some spring rats.
frank
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Post by Stef on Feb 9, 2005 17:13:00 GMT -6
Bob, let me explained it better.. I used the words: In K-9 scent and I was wrong the way I said it
I have to say that I experimented with a scent made with otter glands in the past. The predominant musky smell of this lure was the otter musk. ( Completely different than what you were saying above about... spiking my Nelson... I believe.
Anyway, I tested myself this scent in "BIG Forest" lugging roads and believe or not but that test sample showed me that this stuff was a MOOSE MAGNET. I could see moose tracks in sandy roads telling the thruth. At this time, I was in my first years of working with ingredients and stopped thinking about making a scent made of rare glands because my business is not as small as it used to be and I need to produce big batches of lures and get the job done and when you're talking about availability of these glands on the market.... Forget it if we are talking numbers.
I have enough hard time finding red fox glands my self that I won't jump in that boat believe me.
The weasel musk guy in NY, Buffalo creek I believe? Anyway, I did not see or smell his weasel but Paul Dobbins let me smell his artificial Muskrat musk last summer in PA and I was actually very impressed with the quality "olfactive" I got . Very natural, not like ambrette musk does!
Bob this lure is usually a little more "pastyer" at the top than on the bottom. A good shaking fixed that. Maybe while using it, you took out too much pasty stuff at the begining and ended up with a more thin stuff.
Anyway.... I thought you prefer thinner lures?....LoL
Cachottier in the past was really thick (same formula) " I remember Steve complaining.... I can't pour it" ...LoL Since a couple years ago, just before bottling, I re-gring/blend the whole thing for easier usage and also consistant lure looking.
I'll PM you later on that subject... thanks
Stef
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Post by z on Feb 9, 2005 17:26:52 GMT -6
Frank, If you don't mind my asking... How did the fisher gland (tinctured) work on the yippers? Set/type of application? !
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Post by vttrapper on Feb 9, 2005 17:54:25 GMT -6
Z,
I worked on a few coyotes, but I did use it very little.
I used it on 4 or 5 flat sets with a few drops on a turd.
One of those sets I used a piece of rotten wood as a backing/scent holder. That set caught 1 coyote. The turd sets caught 2 with the fisher spiked gland lure. Sets were well blended along a trail.
Otter spiked gland lure were about the same results.
frank
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Post by z on Feb 9, 2005 18:43:59 GMT -6
"sets were well blended along a trail" You answered my question precisely Frank, Thanks! !
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Post by trappnman on Feb 9, 2005 20:56:21 GMT -6
for what it is worth department---- here- gophers, coyotes and badgers have one of those relationships..if you find one...you find all three
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Post by guidestick on Feb 9, 2005 21:42:36 GMT -6
I use badger glands , in 1 coyote lure at a suggestion of a friend. I'm not going to go into detail but, they are definetly worth using.
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Post by rk660 on Feb 10, 2005 0:10:57 GMT -6
Stef, the sythen rat musk that the guy in NY has, has worked very well for me. I got weasle glands from him too, not artifical but real, he says they come out of Nova Scotia I beleive, some of the cleanest cut glands Ive ever seen. Somebody must be very handy with a scaple! All iddy biddy little glands, not a pod of fat like a lot of mink glands Ive seen.
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Post by briankroberts on Feb 12, 2005 21:52:53 GMT -6
I bought a pint of those Weasel Glands from Dave at the FTA in Michigan, good chit!!!!!....B....
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