reducing chew out on snares?

[chub618]

i have yet to use snares for yotes but i think i will be putting some out this weekend... i have some 3/32 snares with sure locks they are 30" long besides using a kill pole what do you suggest doing to keep chew outs to a minimum i will be using an extension cable but it will be of the 3/32 variety too

[HappyPlumber]

I'm not an expert in this, but I went to a demo in Missouri NTA rondy and the guy there said if that happens you are making the loop to big. He said make the loop smaller and guide them with grass or subtle sticks. He said they are chewing out because they are getting a leg through with their head, putting the lock behind the leg where they can reach it. HP

[Edge]

30" is really really short for coyotes.

The surelock will kill them,no doubt,but I would opt for a longer snare if possible.

Look for pich point where a smallish loop will work,and anchor that 3/32 REAL good.

Edge

[trapperdog]

longer is better,assuming you want a dead coyote.Wouldn't go with anything less than 7',10'-12' being better.Want the coyote to get a good solid pull on the lock to take them out.Also anchor snare to a solid stake,if you hook to a fence it can act as a spring and prevents a quick lock up. You are using 3/32 " cable in my opinion 1X19 is stronger than 7X7 and harder to chew out of.

[17HMR]

Chub, Last year I had some chewouts useing a total of 8foot on my snares this year so far have had 0 with a total 15 foot snares thats with extension. some entanglement at times but mostly not. stinger springs have also helped me on quite a few by leaveing me with a dead yote and little trail damage. All my live yotes on 15 foot set ups there was only 2 or 3 that chewed and it was very little not enough to excape. This is a 24hour check. Jeff

[Edge]

** Chub, you will have chew outs with that size cable, sorry dude it's going to happen.**

Not with a long snare and proper lock it aint.

**As for cable length, I like a 5 to 6 ft snare, (anything longer is a waste of cable. Sorry Guys,) **

No wonder you get chew outs;all they have to do is turn around and chew;they have already pulled the snare taut by turning around;there is a reason coyotemen use long snares(or short snares with extension).You talk of wasted cable;ya want to lose 15 cents worth of cable,or a yote?

**dude I have had chew out's that where neck snared. it happens on long snares. **

If you are indeed experience what I would say is an unusually high rate of chewouts,you should line out with someone before you set any more snares.

Edge

[Edge]

**I hope I didn't OFFEND anyone with this post and if I did, Get over it.**

I am not taking offense at the post,Woody,just your obvious lack of experience and the giving of what I consider to be pi$$ poor advice based on a lack of experience.

Edge

[woody]

Edge, you have mail, I am not getting into a pissing match with you. I am only talking of expericance. woody

[Edge]

Dont go away mad.
My feeling is this:If you disagree with me,then you have something to teach me.
There is a 180 degree difference in what I experience as opposed to what you are saying.Assuming that physics still apply in Ohio,you need to tell me about your setup.
If you have a way to use 5'snares without chewouts AND you have dead coyotes;I want to know how,particularly without choke springs.

Edge

[trappincoyotes39]

I have caught coyotes in snares from 36" out to 10ft snares, what you have with a 36" an no entanglement is a coyote waiting for you that will have a hard time chewing out period, most of my snares are 36"-42" I use quite a few in fence crawl unders where there is good entanglement. The 10 ft is to get the coyote to entanglement or over a high bank and hanging dead, the key is entanglement, wire size, lock and choke springs, what is legal and what isn't legal in your area.
I like 1x19 5/64 with a "toothed cam lock for alot of my snaring, with a choke spring and 60-72" total length most coyotes are down and out and the cable in excellent shape, 7x7 works well but isn't as strong and less chew resistant. Again entanglement can make up for some short commings of equipment, if your snaring thickets,fence lines, etc with good enatanglement 60" snares will take out the majority of your coyotes and the chewing will be directed alot towards the cover.
Your snares will work fine with extensions I would make them 3ft long, I use alot of cable extensions for both coyotes and beaver that way the anchor stays put all I have to do is remove the old snare, fasten a new one and I'm down the road, make sure anchor is still solid and functional. I use slim locks on my 7x7 cable as they lock tight and hold well both coyotes and beaver. All cam locks on the 1x19 due to it's slicker qualitys.

[chub618]

so you think adding a extension cable to the existing 30" snare" in the 3' to 4' range" should help. i do have extra cable but its only 3/32 and 5/64. i know making an extension cable out of 5/64 is out of the question, but will the 3/32 suffice for now? or maybe i should chuck the snare idea for this yr. and stick with the heavey iron

[trappincoyotes39]

I make all my extensions from 5/64 snare wire, and I have no problems with them at all on a 72 hr check. A dead coyote can not stress snare cable. I make mine all 36" long double ferral and then the end has a swivel welded shut and the stake goes through the swivel by our laws and the double ferral end goes to the swivel on the snare, that way I have 2 swiveling points.
That way I can make my snares shorter, save cable on that end and the extensions are used over and over again, all the same for coyotes and beaver.

[JWarren]

I often wonder if "chewouts" are actually often "twistouts" instead. I have a hard time believing a coyote can chew right through aircraft cable when you can hardly chew through it with a pair of sidecutters.

Regardless of how they get through the cable if they are dead they can't get loose.

I use snares from 8-15 feet long on 7 day checks and never had a problem with "chewouts". Then again I'm out west where the coyotes are knee high to the big bad brush wolves of the east.

[chub618]

i might want to add that kill springs are illegal here in ohio. and we have a 24hr. check law!!

[woody]

Chub, hang em, tangle em and you'll be fine. I personnally like a live Ki-yute when I get there but that doesn't always happen.

Edge, I didn't go away mad, I just want away now I am back and you got to deal with me

your right I am to unexpericanced to say anything on this topic so I will fade away like a big cow pie. When you coming out with the book?? ?? ?? I think the title should be: How To Take a Ki-yute Living with the Edge woody

[Stef]

Just got some Stinger in the mail today... Hope solving that problem now.

One thing that I would like to point out.
I never had a piece of cable chewed by coyotes or foxes when they were killed in a Ram power snares.
Yes I've seen 2-3 live catches but they just cannot chew the cable when they have the big springs behind/side of their necks and faces ;D

Stef

[Edge]

I have heard wonderful things about both the stingers,and the Rams.....downside is,they aint legal everywhere.

Edge

[Comstock]

I sure cant get to all my traps in 24 hours no way.I dont use the petersen not anymore I use the camlock with a long snare.stockthere is a lot of trappers here to talk.

[trapperfern]

i live in ohio and i use 60" snares with 3/32 7x7 cable with a washer lock and i havent had a cyote chew out yet i've been using them for three years now and use them for everything fox coon and cyotes i've only lost 1 coon to a "chew out" but i think it was really a twist out. most of my snares are set in fences or where they can get tangled easy. i havent had any problems with them yet.


Fern

[lonetrapper]

every year i have a few chew outs last year was bad for me on chew outs ,this year i had made snares out of 5/64 wire ,with extensions there are around 8 or 9 feet with amber lock and springs not one chew out ,some did go down as quick as they say but looking at the wire it held with no problem not a big numbers person so it is nice when something gets in your snare stays there.